Beyond Woke & Digital Gulag by Dr. Michael Rectenwald

Author Michael Rectenwald joins Jason Hartman to talk about the political atmosphere. Michael feels that censorship will be further exacerbated by the events of January 6. He also questions why big-tech companies are so leftist and if we are in the middle of a revolution. They also discuss the wokeness movement, corporate socialism, cryptocurrency, and decentralization.

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Jason Hartman 1:00
It’s my pleasure to welcome Dr. Michael Rectenwald and he is a multiple New York Times best selling author of several books, including beyond woke the Google archipelago, the digital gulag, and the spin on the stimulation of freedom, springtime for snowflakes, social justice and its postmodern parentage, and the new book, Thought Criminal. Michael, welcome. How are you?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 1:27
Fine. Thanks for having me.

Jason Hartman 1:28
Yeah, good to have you. Good to have you. So you know, what you’re talking about is pretty darn timely. There’s so much going on? Where would you like to start?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 1:38
Well, you let we could talk about what’s happening now with the what we’re gonna see is the kind of purging and crackdown, further censorship that’s going to be exacerbated now, because of the events of January 6. So we can talk about why just just why is big digital, as I call them, Facebook, Twitter, all the social media plus Google, why are they leftist and so forth? You know, why are they basically following a leftist playbook,

Jason Hartman 2:10
They can’t actually debate the issues on their merits. So they have to silence just like Hitler and Stalin, and Pol Pot, and Mao and all the rest, they have to silence people, because there’s no debating, there’s no debating on the merits, they can’t win a debate. So it’s, it’s really a very sad state of affairs. I mean, to think that, that Twitter, and Facebook shut down the social media accounts of the President of the United States regard regardless of you can hate the guy if you want, but, and even when the gate accounts were up, he’s having to censor his own words, he’s having to self censor, because they’ll put fact checker notices in front of the things, they will delete tweets, they will ghost tweets, or posts doesn’t have to be tweets, you know the drill,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 3:05
Yeah. It’s happening to everybody. I mean, it’s not it’s going to extend from Trump, it’s going to extend to anybody that supported him. And any kind of I think that it wouldn’t be far fetched to say that just as you really can’t talk about Hitler on Facebook, or etc, you won’t be even able to use the name Trump, unless it’s in a derogatory fashion, I think. So, you know, what it is, is what’s going on here is that we’re undergoing a revolution. And that is to say, this is been in the works for some time, what they’re trying to bring about as a kind of socialism, I call it corporate socialism. And that is to say that they will have the, really China’s the model here, China has a wealth producing private enterprise that’s directed by the state, and then a very few small businesses and everyone else is more or less living in socialism, if you will. So, this is a model corporate socialism as I call it, which is corporate oligarchy, our oligarchical managers combined with the state on top with kind of actually existing socialism for the rest, that is the kind of two tier system where you have corporate monopolies running everything in connection with the state and they produce everything and all production is directed towards them. And the control of information is is on is in their hands. And effectively you have everybody else living under sort of subsistence conditions on with extremely abridged personal liberties or rights will be, and are being eroded daily.

Jason Hartman 4:59
Yeah, so So let me just give a little context for that, if I could. So we have this situation where, you know, there has been this ongoing debate about social media censorship about the mainstream media, and, you know, manipulating all the all the puppets, all the pawns in society who aren’t, you know, thinking they’re not asking compared to what people cannot possibly know, evaluate or believe what they never see or hear, right? They just if they don’t ever see or hear it, there’s this giant void. It’s not like people in North Korea are walking around thinking about, well, what about this other way of life? You know, they don’t know it’s there.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 5:40
Yeah, it’s completely shut down. It’s beyond censorship. It’s kind of a memory holding or dis disappearing of other views and other perspectives, and anything that can test the kind of corporate socialist agenda.

Jason Hartman 5:56
So to your point about the corporate thing, I just wanted to kind of give some context for that, if I may. So I say that COVID was the dream of the tyrannical dictator, because they could shut down all the small businesses, only the giant oligarchical corporations could, you know, they’ve they’ve done very well through the whole thing. And most of these small businesses are owned by guess what? Trump voters.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 6:20
Right. Okay. Exactly. It was it was a way to politically punish those who had really put liberty and self determination and the free enterprise system above all else, and instead of, well, yeah, I mean, it was a way to end. So what happened there was that we’ve lost, according to the foundation for economic education, we will have lost at least 50% of small businesses over the COVID response measures.

Jason Hartman 6:50
Right. And then you institute a universal basic income scheme that everybody’s now forced to live off the government door, whether they want to or not, they could be totally self reliant people. But this is the world they’re they’ve been forced into,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 7:06
They’re being forced into it. Because other means of generating income through enterprise, you know, and business is being stripped of them being stripped. So we’re talking about a situation in which universal basic income will then come along, and they’ll say, we’ll see we say, if you will, we’re going to bail you out, and you’re going to be fine. But you have to subscribe to our dictates, which will include a lot of a lot of contingencies, like, for example, the medical passport, the updated and regularly accepted vaccines for every mutation of the virus perhaps, and then without which you won’t be able to do much, you may not even be able to leave your residence, right. So this is really what’s afoot. And so this is kind of a color revolution really. And I’m not saying it’s not China is involved, I really can’t parse out whether China’s just a model for the globalists or whether I have major influence over them. But the two are working hand in glove. In effect, the Chinese do propagate a lot of propaganda here, they started the lockdown propaganda in the first place, as a way of responding to the virus. So but it’s been picked up and run with by democratic dictators in this various regions, you know, using cynically, federal our notion of federalism. And in fact, they’ve used that as a way of instituting draconian lockdown measures that are just decimating beyond decimating our local small business Autonomy’s and it’s going to get a lot worse in terms of restriction of freedom there. You know, we’re basically it’s it’s like we’re dealing with the era of McCarthyism in a way. And now now we’ve all been earmarked all the big tech companies know who support to write, and they know who to come after, and whose whose businesses to ruin online, not just in physical and physical form, if they have a restaurant or a gym or something like that. They know who to ruin online, who the search engines can favor and disfavor and as soon as the universal basic income is instituted, which we both know it’s coming or you know, some version, we don’t know exactly how it’ll work, but, but it’ll likely be in the form of some sort of expansion of the EBT program. That’s how they will deliver the money to people or through literally a digital dollar, a cryptocurrency a Fed coin, and that will be on your phone and guess what they’ll be able to do, they’ll be able to make your money expire on your phone.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 9:57
That’s right.

Jason Hartman 9:58
You’d have to spend it in a certain amount of time right now. They could say that you can’t spend it more than three miles from your home.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 10:04
Right.

Jason Hartman 10:05
Right? They could geotag it, they could, you know, say what you’re allowed to spend on and not spend on? It’s quite scary.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 10:13
Yes, a digital currency will be a means of total control, because they’ll also be able to outlaw certain vendors that they can’t they can’t receive digital currency.

Jason Hartman 10:23
Yeah, I didn’t, I wasn’t thinking of it from the vendor side, just the consumer, but you’re right.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 10:28
So centralized digital currency, or CDC. And, you know, so all of this is coming together also, along with the vilification, of course of Trump, and then anybody associated with him, and the ripples will continue to go far out into from his closest advisors, but it’ll go far, far beyond that. So, for example, just recently, a football coach, I forget what I think in Georgia in Georgia, criticized Stacey Abrams, and was fired some airily, just for criticizing Stacey Abrams, and saying something about how they fixed the Georgia runoff election, right. So lost their job. So we know about the book deal that was just cancelled, I mean, your book was cancelled. So they’re just going to cancel everybody that’s not in compliance. And it’ll take a while for them to, for it to ripple out to everything. Luckily, for myself, I have a small independent publisher, that isn’t going to cancel me, but how might they get to them? It’s really hard to say maybe they’ll be able to shut down their printing access right now. Other other things like that. So there’s always or the distribution through Amazon, things like that. Of course, Amazon is a big player here. And they have benefited from all of this corporate socialism already, to the tune of $50 billion. I believe, Bezos directly that is in his private holdings. I think he’s, I think he’s picked up 50 millions or more billion sorry, not when I say 50 billion or more over the COVID lockdown crisis. So they’re just, you know, it’s it’s, again, it’s thinning out the herd, getting the underbrush of small and midsize businesses out of the way, funneling all production to the approved shareholder stakeholder, I’m sorry, stakeholder capitalist groups, to what caught what it has in common. So corporate socialism was state socialism is simply monopolization. monopolization is what stated what socialism really is about monopoly. It’s a monopolization of the means of production, distribution and avenues for consumption. This is exactly what is afoot. It’s only done in connection with these oligarchs at this in this case.

Jason Hartman 12:57
So you know, you know, what is the you know, that they’re, they’re leading the pigs to slaughter? Right? Yeah. So the the leftist that wanted this and supported this, I say, are going to be sorry, in five or 10 years, because they’re, they’re coming for everybody, not just, you know, they’re, they’re picking one group now. But believe me, nobody is safe.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 13:25
They socialists who have been promoting socialism on the ground, they will miss the free market, when it’s gone. If it goes all the way out of existence, they will miss the benefits of it tremendously. And their lives are being pared down, like everyone else’s, whether they recognize it or not, like the many aspects of life have been basically lopped off, if you will, for example, I mean, I have tried to visit my mother in a nursing home for six months. I haven’t seen her since then. And it’s now you know, it’s now getting to the point where I may never see her before she dies, she’s 96 years old. These are the kinds of things that are just they’re just taking away more and more aspects of life. As we go.
Jason Hartman 14:15
Yeah, they really are. Is there anything we can do? Are there any action steps? Is there a safe space to use there?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 14:25
Well, you see what happens when people do take action, they become vilified, and you know, insurrectionists, or whatever. So anything violent will only make things worse, they’ll just use it for as an excuse for further repression. So That’s out of the question. I think the only thing we can do is build networks that are somehow I’m cancelable. And that can’t be shut down as easily as other things and continue to assert the values that we hold That is, you know, the values of liberty, free, you know, freedom speech, free enterprise and freedom thought really, because thought is on the table here too

Jason Hartman 15:11
Tell us about that. How is thought on the table? I mean, is it with Elan musk putting a chip in your brain? Or is it something else?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 15:18
Well as in my novel thought criminal, for example, novels premised on this idea that there is this giant processing and database system called collective mind. And the state as well, they say there’s a virus that was released accidentally, but according to the hero of the novel, he was actually the protagonist, I should say, it was actually, you know, produced and this propagated intentionally. And the function of the virus is really nanobots, what they do is connect the neurons of the neocortex to collective mind, they allow information flow between the collective mind and the brain. And this is very, this technology is very much on the table and under AI research. So we’re looking at, they’re gonna sell it as look, you can be connected to the internet, without going online, you’ll your brain will be online. And so they’re selling it as this access to this fast information source.

Jason Hartman 16:20
And it will be so convenient or so necessary, they will make it necessary in some way. For you to survive and function, you’ll need it. Yeah, you know, at first, maybe it’ll just be something you like, but later will be something that’s basically required for existence in society. And you people will just fail, just acquiesce they’ll just do it,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 16:42
Yeah. You’ll effectively be disabled. For a lot of use that word, that’s the one of the another word that’s been cancelled, you’ll effectively be disabled without it. And that’s the way it’ll be touted and as a benefit as an enhancement, as as a transhumanist upgrading of your humanity. Whereas what it will allow is a total information control, including your thoughts, supplying them and also reading them in effect. I mean, I’m not kidding. This is not. This is science fiction in my novel, but the science fiction, the science is only it’s, I don’t know, I wouldn’t even venture to say 5 10 15 years away, if not less.

Jason Hartman 17:25
Yeah. Wow. Okay, so the question being, what can we do so form networks? But again, you know, in today’s world, you really got to use a platform for that. And of course, there’s gab but there’s parlor, there’s me, we, there are alternatives. But it’s very hard to break the network effect. Metcalfe’s law, you know, and that’s why Facebook, and Twitter just may have a commanding lead that is very hard to dislodge.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 17:56
That’s right. Yeah, that’s, that’s right. It’s the network effect. So we have to try to, you know, use the network to try to build networks of color than the novel on networks of thought deviation, their deviation, it’s not because they’re deviant. Their deviation is because they deviate from acceptable opinion. And they also have independence of thought. And it’s not being controlled by collective collective mob, a collective technological, technocratic overseer. That’s the only thing I have right now. I can’t I don’t I wish I had the answers on how to totally resist this and overcome it. But this is where I, really, that’s where I have to leave it on that score.

Jason Hartman 18:40
Yeah. Okay. Well, what else do you want us to know?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 18:43
I mean, you’ve got an awful lot of stuff in all of these books that you’ve done, you know, just wait anything you want to share stuff we’re not hearing in the news. I think pretty much the information is out there. And people people that are listening, probably already know. But you know, I really think that I want to I want to discuss like how this woke ideology functions and what it’s what’s what its use has been really, I think people don’t connect the pieces together, this is what I’ve been trying to do. So, this wokeness is really the ideological component of all this. It is a means of, of course, the idea is that you know, when your woke, you become aware of how of social injustice and so what really happens as you find that your whiteness has been given you this privilege that has been that to the disadvantage of others, and that nothing you own or have or rough j or have achieved is really a from your, your own merit. It’s based on this privilege. So what is that set up? It sets up a situation in which this can be revoked. This idea of privilege is something that can be stripped from people so that’s why they figure that such so what the idea is here, this is the ideal logical component for making people accept reduced circumstances, reduced freedoms and reduced potential potential realities. wokeness is really about leveling us to this lower level, second tier of so called equal fair economy. And basically it is about stripping us of anything that makes excellence rewarded. That makes achievement meaningful and makes life worth living. Frankly, that’s what wokeness is about.

Jason Hartman 20:39
You know, it’s interesting, it’s also and it’s certainly not just whiteness, it’s all everything, you know, anything you have, that someone else doesn’t have. It’s going to be a guilt trip, and you’re evil and so on and so forth. But, but it’s interesting that they want to glorify and reward these things that would normally be considered bad character traits, right? You know, if you’re, I mean, look at, for example, the seven deadly sins, right? sloth, right, you know, gluttony. Right? You know, they’re, it’s like, their greed, you know, it’s okay, it’s okay to be greedy, if you’re a corporate oligarch, but it’s not okay to be greedy. If you own a little small business. Or you’re a news anchor, if you’re a news anchor, that makes four and a half million dollars a year, that’s okay. But if you’re a small business person who’s trying to eke out 150 grand. Now, that’s evil, right?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 21:34
Right. Evil. Yeah, absolutely. So that’s, that’s been a differential application of this, of course, these corporate oligarchs don’t need to be well claimed their privileges never really was referred to as such. And their greed is fine, but yours is not if you try to sell something online, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s, they’ll smear you for it and so forth. But also, you know, this fatness, the idea that you can’t fat shame people that effectively saying that, you know, they’re promoting fatness as a virtue in effect now.

Jason Hartman 22:06
Yeah, well, and the food companies love it, because they get to give everybody obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, you know, they’re basically killing the population, you know? And, of course, if we have socialized health care, that’s just gonna cost everybody more money, too.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 22:22
Right. Absolutely. So it locks people into this down, downward spiral, really, health wise, they’re course eating processed foods and garbage. And,

Jason Hartman 22:35
They’re really trying to make people addicted to all sorts of bad things.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 22:40
Yeah.

Jason Hartman 22:41
You know, they close the gyms. But, you know, we often wonder, I mean, the the concept of workers comp insurance, right? Like my company carries workers comp insurance. And it’s interesting that I have not heard of a lawsuit against Starbucks, where their employees have sued them for workers comp for making all their employees obese, and giving them heart disease and cancer and diabetes. Yet, every time I see a new person come to work at Starbucks, you know, a few months later, they’re getting big. It’s, it’s just just, it’s like, if you work there, you’re gonna eat the trash. They serve the poison they serve, and they’re hurting you. They’re injuring you at work. Why isn’t there a worker’s comp lawsuit? against Starbucks? Well, there. Starbucks is woke. So that would be

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 23:29
Yeah, that’s right. Starbucks or McDonald’s or imagine working at McDonald’s or Burger King, or Wendy’s or something like that.

Jason Hartman 23:40
Well, those companies are evil because they’re not woke. But that Starbucks is great. Yeah,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 23:44
Starbucks is woke so they’re immune. Yeah. That’s part of the other way the wokeness works and immunizes. You. So what’s the fastest way to keep from being called a right? What’s the best way to keep them from being called a racist? It’s to accuse other people constantly.

Jason Hartman 24:01
Exactly. So you never have to look internally?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 24:04
Right. In the mirror. Yeah. Well, it keeps the tension off of you as well. Yeah. You know, but those people will get eaten some of them anyway. Because this is a self emulating ideology. I say that the bright side is that this can’t work. It can’t last for long because it will fail. This corporate socialism, which of which woke ideology is the ideological foundation. It can’t work because there won’t be enough wealth production and innovation to continue to support growth. In fact, the World Economic Forum foundation is actually anti growth, anti GDP GDP growth. They’re saying that we need to shrink the economy, right? Because the economy is destroying the strong You know our habitats right it’s

Jason Hartman 25:04
None of those people, none of those woke people at the World Economic Forum are giving up their private jets

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 25:10
That’s right. Never.

Jason Hartman 25:12
Their, their big carbon footprint polluting private jets their multiple mansions in in numerous locations that they have to travel back and forth to and heat and cool. And construct.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 25:23
Don’t want you to have a car.

Jason Hartman 25:24
Yeah, yeah, but but but they’ve got their yachts that pollute like crazy, right?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 25:30
Yeah, you’re not allowed to drive a car down the street, but they can have they can jet jet set around as well at will. Right. So it’s full of contradictions and hypocrisy, naturally, but just like the Soviet Union crumbled, and on the other thing is that China as such can’t can’t really succeed without the open economic basis, and free market of the United States. So it also its economy will implode, probably first, its economy will implode as the United States shuts down its innovative capacities and its entrepreneurial growth, China will be the first to implode because they’ve been operating on Keynesian economics. And effectively just trying to stimulate the economy with state spending, without real production for any value for things that anybody wants. They got, you know, buildings upon buildings, just they can’t, you know, they’re just producing, and then just making money from, from exports, which will obviously Eventually, the window because there’ll be less spending in the United States, thanks to all this. So there’s as the economy that should crash first man hours will be not far behind it. So then we’ll be picking up the pieces. As in the Soviet as, as in the after the fall of the Berlin Wall in the Soviet Union,

Jason Hartman 26:56
The only problem is that could take much longer than our lifetimes.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 27:01
That’s unfortunate.

Jason Hartman 27:02
I mean, the Soviet Union took 70 years to collapse. And in this country, he’s got a much bigger headstart than Soviet Union did. Take so it takes a long time to destroy a country that’s been again, successful.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 27:15
That’s true. Yeah, that’s, that’s the other thing we have going for it. So as we have, we have a long history of, and traditions of liberty and in the value of individual rights, and individual autonomy and self determination.

Jason Hartman 27:31
But the woke crowd has turned individual rights on its head, though. They’ve perverted the meaning of it.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 27:37
Your rights are an infringement of of my existence to their violence, your words are violence, and but our violence is speech. Your speech is violence, but our violence is speech, effectively.

Jason Hartman 27:51
Yeah, they’re,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 27:52
They’re the foot soldiers. The anti fun Black Lives Matter activists, they’re the foot soldiers of this corporate socialism, they’re actually doing the work that these corporate socialists or oligarchs want done. They are accessories to the crime, really?

Jason Hartman 28:11
Yeah. Yeah, they really are. So Gosh, I just don’t, I don’t know where to go with this. Like, what? Every, everybody wants to know what to do. What how, you know, I mean, you think, Oh, well, two things. Number one, do you think there will be any kind of a secession movement? Or

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 28:30
I hope so. I mean, that’s,

Jason Hartman 28:30
You know, you know, what’s interesting? And before you answer that, and just let me give you a little more food for thought there. You know, it’s interesting to see the cryptocurrency rise kind of alongside this, because so much of it is about economics and sound money. And you know, that the crypto thing makes you free from the system. And I don’t know, you know, what, yeah. What do you think?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 28:58
I think cryptocurrency as long as it’s not centralized, and, you know, controlled by the central banks, is definitely a way to build and continue to speed these networks that I’m talking about, is a parallel system that could keep us from imploding all together. cryptocurrency is definitely one thing, politically succession is another and the center of decentralization to basically drop off from the centralized system altogether.

Jason Hartman 29:31
The problem with seccession in the sense that I can only think about it and I think most people think about it, is that it’s sort of a state by state concept. And everything so mixed up, how would you ever get, you know, I live in Florida, for example. Okay. And Florida is, you know, I think a pretty well run state I like,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 29:53
Right now, yeah. They’re the best friend in the country.

Jason Hartman 29:55
Yeah. And, and, you know, Texas also is the Lone Star State, you know, Like, but you those won’t secceed, because there’s too many people in those states that are woke, and you know, have this is what you know,

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 30:11
They all depend on the central federal government for income and benefits. So yeah, that makes

Jason Hartman 30:19
Which is just the way they want.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 30:20
Yes, exactly. That makes it much more difficult. Decentralization is the answer, obviously. How do we go about it is the question.

Jason Hartman 30:29
Yeah. And I’m guessing you don’t have a thought on how do we go about it? Because I sure don’t?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 30:33
I don’t I don’t at the moment, I’m sorry. It’s, it seems to be enough for me to try to understand all this in the first place. Yeah. And then solutions is another matter which I don’t have at my fingertips at the moment.

Jason Hartman 30:48
Right, right. What I wanted to ask you also, though, Michael, is what about the age? Is this like, a millennial thing? Or, you know, if it’s a millennial thing, I mean, I look back to the 60s and the way the baby boomers were back then, when I watch old movies about Woodstock, and you know, Vietnam, war protests, and so forth. You know, they kind of grew out of it, you know, they grew up, they became adults, and largely became responsible, not all. But

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 31:21
Yeah. Unfortunately, the ones that stayed and became academics did not grow out of it. And then they propagated their ideology to the next generation. And that’s where this has been going on. So this all began through the academic world through the university system, after this indoctrination into socialist or woke ideology, it all starts there. And that’s how you prepare the population for this kind of a political shift that we’re saying.

Jason Hartman 31:52
Yeah, right. Yeah, you know, if you went over the, the, the young people, you’ve won the, we’ve won the game, you know, it’s just

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 32:01
So they don’t grow out of it is what you’re saying. What I’m saying is that it’s not necessarily an age situation, it depends on circumstances. And the reason those people that didn’t stay in academia grew out of it is because they found it didn’t work in a free market free enterprise system where you could actually send and do well, if you embrace these values. Whereas in academia, it didn’t, those values don’t work in academia, the what values work in academia is more like a socialist ideology. So it’s not necessarily the page dependent, it’s situation dependent. So if the state is producing this kind of core, you know, two tiered corporate socialist system, then the socialist ideology will still flourish in that realm will still flourish. Because it doesn’t those people aren’t required or they see no benefit to embracing the values of free enterprise, individual liberty and so on so forth.

Jason Hartman 33:07
Yeah, they’re it’s it’s a different system but but the University College government debt enslavement complex, as I like to call it, you know, that that system seems like it’s got to be on the way out even under Biden and Harris, you know, it just can’t last for work because it because it’s a ripoff. It’s a scam, it’s a ripoff. And and it’s they’ve totally avoided reducing their costs with technology, like every other industry has become cheaper, more efficient, better with tech. One, one professor, in every subject, just pick the best professor in the world, they could teach the entire planet on zoom. Right?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 33:49
You know, that they’re doing this so that they are using low tech, losing high tech, low cost technology.

Jason Hartman 33:57
But they’re not giving a discount, they’re not passing it on to the consumer.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 33:59
Not at all. They haven’t lowered tuitions one bit. Yeah. They’ll continue to rise. So yeah, it’s real. It’s a real rip off, and that that industry has to implode eventually, but it’s gonna be passed off the losses are going to be passed off to the to the population at large as they perceive listed loans, and so on so forth.

Jason Hartman 34:21
Yeah, absolutely. Well, what else would you like people to know? And please do give out your website and such as well?

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 34:28
Yeah. Yeah, follow me at Michael Rectenwald.com. Michael r e c t e n w a l d.com. I have all my articles up there three on the great reset recently. I have all my books linked there. They’re also available for sale directly. If you don’t want to go through Amazon, you can go to my bookstore there Apogee books, and I send out signed copies directly. What I would say is the the other thing I’d like you to know is we need to regroup now that To the smearing of Trump, which is ongoing right now we’re gonna have to regroup and find a new way and a new, a new rubric under which to organize and survive the onslaught that we’re up against. So, I’m looking to perhaps create some sort of a league, like an anti Communist League of sorts that we can use to resist this onslaught. So look out for something along those lines in the future. So I’m not just a prognosticator. I also want to be part of the solution.

Jason Hartman 35:36
Yeah, good stuff. Well, I commend you for that. Michael, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

Dr. Michael Rectenwald 35:43
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Jason Hartman 35:49
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