On this show, we have talked about food, medication and just about everything that makes us sick. For this episode, Jason Hartman is joined by Sonia Barrett to talk about her forthcoming documentary, The Business of Disease. Sonia is an author and the host/producer and founder of Sovereign Mind Radio. She wrote an article in 2010 entitled “The Marketing of Breast Cancer, the pink ribbon agenda, and received staggering positive feedback. It led to the production of The Business of Disease.
Sonia takes a look at how marketing and media, such as the pink ribbons, drive a huge business for the awareness and treatment of breast cancer. She points out that various businesses make tons of money from different events and fundraisers, and hospitals make more money from mammograms. In the documentary, Sonia took a look at how all of the awareness efforts for breast cancer affect the brain, not just for women, but for their spouses and children. This is a segue into talking about Sonia’s book, The Holographic Canvas: The Fusing of Mind and Matter. She explains that our belief system is shaped by society, family, and upbringing, and without asking questions, those belief systems establish what reality is going to look like for each of us. This can make our reality less than authentic and more of “going with the flow.” Reality is what we focus on and whatever each person focuses on at any given moment in their life is what is real to them. Sonia encourages examining belief systems. For more information, visit: www.HolisticSurvival.com.
Sonia Barrett’s book was published in 2008, providing cutting edge insights supported by quantum physics, that addresses programming, beliefs and concepts by which we have lived our lives both individually and collectively. These insights provide clarity in understanding the paradox of both the real and the unreal; the visible and the invisible components of reality; the holographic experience. Known for her mind-bending concepts, she stretches the mind even further by going beyond the common view of time. Sonia Barrett has appeared on panels with such noted speakers/scientists as Dr. Amit Goswami, Dr. Bruce Lipton and a number of others. She has been a Key Note speaker at a number of conferences to name a few; the ISSSEEM Conference, Conscious Life Expo and the Alchemy Conference. Sonia Barrett is a popular radio guest and has appeared on television as well. She appeared in the 2010 film Ghetto Physics, produced by Will Arntz (producer of What the Bleep do We Know) and E Raymond Brown. She also appears in the upcoming docudrama (2012) Openings, The Search for Harry. She is currently producing her first documentary, The Business of Disease, a 90-minute feature, and is also publishing a companion book for the film filled with chapters from everyone in the film. In addition to Sovereign Mind Radio (www.sovereignmindradio.com), she is the founder and publisher of Sovereign Mind Magazine (www.sovereignmindmagazine.com).
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Start of Interview with Sonia Barrett
Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Sonia Barrett to the show. She is the author of The Holographic Canvas: The Fusing of Mind and Matter, which was published back in 2008 and she’s also got an exciting documentary coming out soon entitled The Business of Disease. That’s a full length 90 minute feature, and it’s great to have her on the show today to talk about these and maybe some other things as well. Sonia, welcome. How are you?
Sonia Barrett: Oh and thank you so much for having me on the show. I am great, thank you.
Jason Hartman: My pleasure. Tell us a little bit about your work.
Sonia Barrett: Well, let’s see, a little bit about my work which is interesting. As many times as I’ve been asked, I always have to think as if I’ve never said it before. I wrote a book. It came out in 2008. It is called The Holographic Canvas: The Fusing of Mind and Matter, which sort of brings together components, pieces to this gigantic puzzle, as to our influence on reality from many different angles. So it’s got a little bit of quantum physics in there, a little bit of science in there, but at the same time written for the laymen in very simple terms. I explore all kinds of components, even the idea of time travel and reality and the brain, the harmonics of time; those are just a couple of the chapters in the book, Programming of Humanity. And that was out of my own curiosity about the nature of reality and my experience in what we define as life. And so the book was born.
I do a lot of lectures and workshops in relationship to those things that I’ve mentioned and helping others as well as myself to become even more free in how we create reality and be more aware, more conscious of how we’re actually creating reality. And then moving from there, this is my first film that I’m producing and it was sort of a fluke. It wasn’t something that I had set out to do. I didn’t sit down and say over two years I’m going to create a film. I wrote an article called The Marketing of Breast Cancer: The Pink Ribbon Agenda. And the article was so well received all across the internet that I came up with the idea of putting together a small film which turned into a bigger film. So a lot of people were very pleased with the article. It said a lot of things that many people felt but didn’t want to say it.
Jason Hartman: Well let’s actually talk about The Business of Disease first, if we can. And maybe we’ll circle back to The Holographic Canvas and talk about mind programming and creating one’s reality; very important. But on the disease angle since we’re on that right now, what is your thesis about the marketing of breast cancer? I’ve had various guests on the show over the years talking about how food is making us sick and how the average cancer patient is about a half million dollars in revenue for their treatment and so forth.
And kind of an odd thing, I remember I was out with a friend of mine years ago, and it was a Saturday evening. The next morning was the Susan G Coleman Race for the Cure in Newport Beach. And she was the marketing director for The American Cancer Society by the way. So let me just tell you this interesting conversation. It was just kind of an off handed remark. But what was interesting was that I said I wanted to call it a night and go home because I wanted to get up and run the 5k in the morning. And it’s obviously early. And she says, oh is that tomorrow? My manager wants me to go check that out because that’s our competitor. And you know, there was nothing really wrong in saying that but it just kind of struck me as an odd way to look at something that is a charitable cause.
And certainly charities compete. Charity is also capitalistic in many ways; I have no problem with that. But I just kind of thought, competitor. And I’ve long since thought about that sort of off handed comment thinking that these are such entrenched businesses.
Sonia Barrett: They are.
Jason Hartman: They really are. It’s like the military industrial complex or the pharmaceutical industrial complex or the agricultural industrial complex. When any industry or government for god’s sake, that’s the worst one of them all, but any industry or union, especially public employee unions, when they become entrenched the original mission, the cause, seems to just not matter anymore. It becomes how can we increase our size, expand our power, expand our influence and get more money for our organization. Your thoughts?
Sonia Barrett: Yeah absolutely. I agree with you. I think the original plan gets lost as profits come in and it becomes this real corporate structure. It’s just another business. And that was definitely a component that I looked at, but what triggered me in the very beginning was those pink ribbons as I’ve talked about before. So many times I’ve wondered what kind of programing. How is that impacting our minds, our brains, our thought process, our belief systems? I really felt that there was more of a programming that was occurring because of this; an acceptability in the sense of cancer, of breast cancer. We were being reminded.
So that was my whole thing. What was actually going on? Well of course naturally yes, you go into the business aspect of it and you start seeing from the business side just exactly what’s going on behind the scene. It’s a huge, huge money maker. And a lot of people are unfamiliar with Susan Coleman Foundation other than you hear the name, and Run for a Cure, and so on and so forth. And even the origins of, what is it? October? What is that, breast cancer awareness month. Even the origins of that was from, what is the name? It was a chemical corporation that had originally started the monthly breast cancer awareness month. But there’s so much money that’s made during that month. There are hospitals that say they make quite a bit more because of all the mammograms. So here’s this double edge sword that’s going on. They’re making money off the mammograms but the mammograms are known for over a period of time, they can contribute to an individual getting breast cancer.
Jason Hartman: I’ve never heard that before.
Sonia Barrett: You’ve never heard it?
Jason Hartman: No. Why would that be? Tell us about it.
Sonia Barrett: The radiation levels…you can look it up. I think Dr. Epstein, who’s a medical doctor, has talked about it so much over the last 20-25 years about this. But yeah, the dangers of mammograms. And so they actually I think at one point had changed it from women having to have these screenings, I’m not sure of how many years but they reduced the number of years. But yes, accumulatively yes. It can contribute to…
Jason Hartman: Yeah but that’s like saying never get an X-ray. I mean, isn’t there a certain…I don’t know that I can really…I can buy off on a lot of other things, but maybe you do contribute having a checkup but god, should you not have the checkup?
Sonia Barrett: Well I think you have to, like I said, there’s a lot of research that’s been done on it and this is not new. This has been over however many years. This is known.
Jason Hartman: But what else? Tell us more about the pink ribbon agenda, if you would.
Sonia Barrett: From my aspect, those are the things that I looked at in terms of what they symbolized in terms of its impact on the brain. And at the same time, examining the fear that was also being generated around this by everybody. Not just the women but families, husbands, so on and so forth. And then of course they have Pink Ribbon Barbie that they come out with during that month. She’s dressed in pink which obviously represents breast cancer.
The bottom line of it is I felt that there was a programming in terms of our young girls as well where this is more like the common cold and there’s a possibility that you can get this. And how science is really looking at all of this, you start realizing that there is an amazing impact on our belief systems and how that in turn impacts our own bodies. Not saying that we shouldn’t eat well, but there’s a whole lot of other factors involved. Because there are people who eat what we would define as very well, and they still get cancer. so what is a lot of this tied to? Is it more the emotional aspect of human beings? Are those the components that are really causing us to be more in dis-ease? And that’s the part that traditional medicine really doesn’t really look into. It’s a very topical approach that is being taken.
And so running for a cure and this pink ribbon doesn’t really express anything deeper other than be aware, be aware, get your checkup, get your checkup, be aware. So anyway, that was my feeling behind it and hence the film which goes into all of those other components that could contribute to one being ill. And it is the emotional aspect of all of this.
Jason Hartman: Well maybe that’s a good Segway to talk about The Holographic Canvas and how we create our reality. Tell us about how that occurs.
Sonia Barrett: The thing is, when we examine our belief systems, and I think that we’re so used to what we believe that we don’t really always stop to really examine it because obviously this is the way you’ve been living. So it’s not something that people stop and assess. So your belief system is obviously what’s shaped by society, it’s shaped by your family, your upbringing, your environment, social codes, social programs. All of these components tend to be what sort of makes up what we believe and then in turn we create reality based on what our understanding is and what our belief is. And that includes our religious belief as well.
So there are all these components that aren’t necessarily what we would define as maybe authentic but you’re creating, you’re molding and shaping your idea of reality based on all of these things that we’ve been told and what we’ve been fed. And when we don’t ask many questions; when our questions are limited to just a certain degree, we have a boundary around what sort of questions we will ask, then of course those belief systems would be what is used to establish what reality is going to look like for us. So I say we have a model of reality, our brain has a model of what reality looks like for each of us. And yes, collectively we have a very similar blueprint of basic things about reality, the physical aspects of reality.
There’s certain things that are quite very basic. We know what a chair looks like, we know what a tree looks like, so on and so forth. The brain has a library of all of those things that are acceptable components of reality. And then we get the other aspects of belief systems, which again come in from our parents and so on and so forth. Well you’re going to shape reality, you’re going to shape who you are based on all of these components.
So the question is how authentic is what we create then, is the reality that we create for ourselves? Is it mainly just made up of the things that we have been told of what reality should be, could be for us? What the possibilities are? what our limitations are? Those are things I think that we don’t look at because we just sort of go with the flow; we sort of go along with the flow. So there’s other aspects of this and you go into the scientific aspect of it, in terms of Quantum Physics that you can’t observe something without impacting it, without effecting it. So we can go from that aspect too in a sense of why reality presents itself to us the way that it does. Whatever we focus on is what we call real. Real is realm of focus.
So we have real, realm and reality – three words that are offshoots of each other. So wherever the focus is of whatever it is in one’s life, that’s what’s real for you at that moment. So we have to reexamine what we believe, how we think, what our thought process is and why is it then that we’re having the experience that we’re having right now? Especially when people have patterns continuously happening to them. Whether it be relationships or jobs or just different things that seem to be a pattern in one’s life. You have to begin to examine what that belief system is. There’s a lot of other components to that.
Jason Hartman: Certainly everyone would pretty much agree that the unexamined life is not worth living, as the saying goes. And beliefs are like our context from which we operate and we don’t notice them. We don’t notice why we act a certain way or think a certain way necessarily unless we really question ourselves. And we do that constantly because that can lead to greater understanding. But is there more to it? On the holographic side, I’m particularly fascinated by that word.
I was originally introduced to it a long, long time ago when I studied Dr. Karl Pribram at Stanford University, the neurologist who, I don’t know if he was really the start of it, the holographic brain theory type stuff. But it was very interesting about how when we imagine something and especially when we imagine it repeatedly and vividly, many people have written about how to achieve goals based on this kind of idea, that it can become a reality. Because our brains instead of being a processor of information, and this is kind of my own leap; I didn’t hear it from anyone else, they’re really a generator of electrochemical response that is going on inside of us and that electricity can actually be measured outside of our skull, not just inside. So then you have to make a few leaps, which I don’t know that science can really verify any of this yet but it seems like we’re getting close.
Sonia Barrett: I think so. I think that there’s a lot that is understood about this now. And of course because we see with our brain, I think that’s a very basic one that people can step back and examine. The fact that science says that we see with our brains, not really with our eyes and our eyes just really act as a lens. And so these light images or frequencies are really being picked up and translated back from the optic nerve, through the cones and rods in the eyes so it’s like a reflector. It’s like reality is being reflected on this huge screen for us.
And so that’s how we’re really experiencing everything. Everything really has its own frequency. It’s all a frequency pattern. And that frequency pattern, based on this kind of brain activity because we have the five senses, well it’s more than that, but these five senses that we’re really familiar with allows us to have texture and audio and visual, and all of those things; you’re able to do those things, which then brings this experience into this solid and final experience we think we’re having meaning everything physical then feels very solid and feels very final in its form. But no, not really because science does show us that it’s tiny particles that come together to form an image.
So basically if we were to be able to slow it down, say examine anything physical, and we were able to slow it down enough, we would see that these are tiny particles coming together just like a film 24 frames per second to create the film, the movies that we watch. Well it’s the same thing that’s happening so you get these tiny particles that come together to form this sold image. But even those tiny particles are broken down into even tinier particles and if they were to break down as far as we could imagine breaking down, these things, it’s like they wouldn’t even be there.
Then you also look at the fact that we understand the wave and particle dance, meaning that everything is wave and particle form, meaning that when we’re observing it we then view it as a particle, meaning that it takes form or shape or texture. And when we are not observing these things, they are in wave form. But they’re both wave and particle at the same time. It’s this paradox that happens. So science is already saying these things. I think that what we’re looking at is a day where all of this will become more main, more common to your average person. An understanding of these very simple things about how we exist in these forms and everything else around us will become like ABC and I think that’s what we’re dealing with right now, that this is not common knowledge to your average person. And so we still have this idea of what solidity is but there is nothing. Everything is in fluid form. Everything is constantly moving. It’s appearing and disappearing. It’s form and it’s formless. It’s always happening all at the same time. So what we’re focused on becomes, that’s what’s real. That’s why I said that earlier.
Real, reality, realm; those three words are all offshoots of each other because what you’re zoned in on at that moment has to take some sort of form, texture shape. Whether even it’s a thought, that thought can then eventually become reality like everything else. We have a design, we have a sketch, we have a blueprint and then we build the building. It’s the same thing of how we are creating reality collectively and individually. The dream, your dreaming, dreaming, dreaming it. And eventually you take the steps towards bringing that dream to life.
Jason Hartman: Very interesting. At the subatomic level nothing is solid; it’s fluid just like our thoughts and the reaction that goes on inside our brains. Those two are a lot more similar than we think. Very interesting. The thought can turn into a thing, and that thing seems like solid matter, but nothing’s really solid. I remember I had this girlfriend years ago. She was a chemical engineer and one of the things she told me that I never knew about at the time is that glass is never solid. It’s always moving. Now I know everything is. But that’s why when you look at old windows for example, they’re bubbling at the bottom. Because the glass has actually melted over a hundred years, or even fifty years probably. And it’s always moving; it’s never solid. If it were solid you wouldn’t be able to see through it. So yeah, that’s an interesting point.
Sonia Barrett: Yeah, it’s all very fascinating. If we understood, again, the more we understand about all of this to the best of our ability I should say at this time anyway, I think we would find that our lived would begin to be simpler. Because it would definitely squash a lot of misconceptions and belief systems that we have that are actually to our demise. I think because there’s so much we don’t understand about us and our individual lives because of those overall missing pieces, it makes such a difference.
Jason Hartman: Fascinating. Well give out your website if you would Sonia, and tell people where they can find out more.
Sonia Barrett: My main website is SpiritInForm.com, that site’s been there for about ten years. And the documentary website is TheBusinessOfDisease.com. And my other two websites, sovereign mind radio at sovereignmindradio.com, but the main website will lead you to all the other sites if you forget. And you can always just type in Sonia Barrett in Google and the rest of it will come up.
Jason Hartman: You know Sonia, you mentioned the documentary as well on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. When is the documentary scheduled to be released?
Sonia Barrett: Well, January is what we are looking at. January 2013.
Jason Hartman: Fantastic. Well, thank you for joining us today. Appreciate it.
Sonia Barrett: Thank you so much for having me on your show.
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