Dr. Jerome Corsi is the Senior Managing Director in the Financial Services Group at Gilford Securities and Editor of the Red Alert newsletter. He recently authored, “BAD SAMARITANS: The ACLU’s Relentless Campaign to Erase Faith from the Public Square.” The ACLU been trying to erase faith from the public square… Corsi reveals the fruits of the ACLU’s master plan.
Additionally, the U.S. government hid the Nazi discovery of abiotic oil from the American people. Corsi discusses this, as well as how Obama is trying to take control of people’s 401k’s. Dr. Jerome Corsi a Senior Staff Reporter for World Net Daily where he works as an investigative reporter. In 2004, Dr. Corsi co-authored the #1 New York Times bestseller, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. The success of Unfit for Command permitted Dr. Corsi to devote full time to writing. In August 2008, he published The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality, which was a #1 New York Times bestseller for a month and remained on the NYT bestseller list for 10 weeks. His most recent non-fiction book, America for Sale: Fighting the New World Order, Surviving a Global Depression, and Preserving USA Sovereignty debuted on the New York Times bestseller list on Nov. 1, 2009. For nearly 25 years, beginning in 1981, Dr. Corsi worked with banks throughout the United States and around the world to develop financial services marketing companies to assist banks in establishing broker/dealers and insurance subsidiaries to provide financial planning products and services to their retail customers.
Visit the Red Alert newsletter at http://redalert.wnd.com/. Dr. Corsi lives with his family in New Jersey, where he is a full-time writer. He is a frequent guest on talk radio shows nationally and has made repeated television appearances on Fox News, MSNBC, CNN News and Fox Business News. In the past 5 years, he has published 5 New York Times bestselling non-fiction books.
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Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Jerome Corsi back to the show. You know his name well, and he’s authored many books. But his newest book is entitled Bad Samaritans: The ACLU’s relentless campaign to erase faith from the public square. Welcome Jerry. How are you?
Jerome Corsi: I’m great Jason. Good to be back with you. Thank you.
Jason Hartman: It’s good to have you back. So how is the ACLU trying to do this? I know that every time there’s a ten commandments posted somewhere, the ACLU seems to take issue with it and sue it out of existence under the freedom of religion claim. But tell us more.
Jerome Corsi: Well, my book on the bad Samaritans, I say the ACLU are bad Samaritans, attacking God whenever they can. Since the founding of the ACLU, which was an organization created by radical socialists, even communists back in 1920, the goal of the ACLU has been to attack the Judeo-Christian faith, eliminate the Judeo-Christian god from America, if possible, and to attack traditional families all in the desire to bring America under the name of protecting civil liberties into a redefinition of civil liberties under a socialist or progressive or even communist state. And this has been one of the stealth agendas of the ACLU since its founding, which they’ve been quite successful in achieving results over the period of time between 1920 and today.
Jason Hartman: Okay. So they have definitely shaped public opinion and laws quite a bit. Don’t they have hundreds of attorneys working for them?
Jerome Corsi: More like over a thousand and some 300 offices around the country. It’s a very well-funded organization. They not only get grants from foundations and of course membership subscriptions, but they now get recovery of turner’s fees which permits the ACLU to almost act like extortionists. They come into your city and say if you don’t make sure the boy scouts quit recruiting in your public schools, because the boy scouts don’t allow gay scout masters, then we’re going to sue you. And $250,000later, the community is still defending itself against the ACLU which is claiming $250,000 to be paid by the community as well for the attorney’s fees and the ACLU. So it’s very expensive to fight against the ACLU and the ACLU has been very effective.
Jason Hartman: Well, now let me ask you about that. Is that because, since the ACLU is always suing under civil rights laws, I think that’s what they’re doing is always suing under the civil rights, they’re suing the government or some civil rights agency of some sort saying their civil rights have been violated. And there’s no attorney’s fees clause in that if they lose, but they get attorney’s fees if they win. Is that how that works? It seems like a pretty lopsided equation.
Jerome Corsi: First of all, they sue under not just civil rights laws, but under all types of legal theories and they sue in all kinds of cases. The basic premise in them getting back their legal fees occurs from some definitions of the code where they can get attorney’s fees if they win, but they’ve expanded it recently. They’re even able to get fees even when they don’t win. So the ACLU has been trying to push communities to concede before they even actually have to go to court. And in those instances just the threat of having to sue for legal fees if the ACLU wins is enough to push the community to take steps they might not otherwise take.
Jason Hartman: When we’re critical of the ACLU, don’t they do some good things though, Jerry?
Jerome Corsi: well there are many cases in the ACLU that I think I agree on; typically when they are defending against government coming in and collecting data on individuals. The ACLU has been very effective in most cases, and I don’t fault the ACLU for those cases.
Jason Hartman: Privacy concerns. Okay.
Jerome Corsi: My concerns are when the ACLU is going against god on the first amendment and on definitions of family, which they’ve done in supporting same sex marriage cases and now even supporting pedophilia cases in court, representing defendants that have been charged who are members of NAMBLA, which is North American Man and Boy Love Association.
Jason Hartman: I am surprised that the PR, it just hasn’t massively gone against the ACLU. I didn’t know they were defending pedophiles. On what grounds?
Jerome Corsi: Our first amendment freedom of speech. One of the most famous cases the ACLU has been in was a case about the murder of a young child in Massachusetts by two pedophiles who killed the child after they raped the child, and the ACLU entered in the case to defend NAMBLA’s right to publish the manuals that these men had, NAMBLA publications like The Survival Manual, the man’s guide to staying alive in man/boy sexual relations.
Jason Hartman: Well, what do you mean staying alive?
Jerome Corsi: NAMBLA publishes literature instructing men on how to find and seduce boys, and how to avoid legal consequences for doing so.
Jason Hartman: Unbelievable.
Jerome Corsi: And the ACLU in this case, this 1997 murder case involving Jeffrey Curley in Cambridge, Massachusetts, the child who was killed, the two pedophiles who committed the murder are now serving life sentences for doing it, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes. But during the course of the trial the ACLU entered the case on behalf of NAMBLA with the executive director of the ACLU of Massachusetts, John Roberts saying at the time, there’s nothing in those publications of NAMBLA or their website which advocated or incited the convicted of any illegal acts, including murder or rape. Now these publications advocate changes in society’s view about consensual sex between adults and minors. So that’s how the ACLU supported pedophilia in the Jeffrey Curley murder case in Cambridge, Massachusetts 1997.
Jason Hartman: So just to be clear on the distinction here, they weren’t defending the crime of rape and murder; they were defending the publishing…
Jerome Corsi: Right. They were defending that the publications had no link to the crime, even though the defendants had a lot of this literature, had relied on this literature, had used this literature. It’s the same spirit in which the ACLU defends child pornography, or pornography being available in public libraries where children can access the computers. Or the ACLU advocates and supports obscenity and pornography in any kind of media, television, radio, film.
Jason Hartman: You know though, it certainly seems, and I don’t know why in these last few mass shootings, and I don’t mean to get off on a tangent here but I know you’re going to have a good opinion for me on this; it certainly seems, where is the outrage against the videogame manufacturers that these guys are… they’re literally laying out the road map for these mass shootings in the movies. It is the same kind of thing you’re talking about with the ACLU.
Jerome Corsi: It’s a topic that I cover in the book, but certainly the first amendment is not meant to be an unbridled freedom. And the areas that I cover, which have to do with the family, areas of pornography or moving beyond same sex marriage into pedophilia into who knows where next in the ACLU, I’m saying that there are consequences of the ACLU’s defense of these various literatures and behaviors that are manifested in media that impact society. I point out at great length the whole idea of same sex marriage was promoted going back 20 or 30 years with a conscious public relations campaign to change and desensitize the population to homosexual activity.
I point out in the book After the Ball, how America will conquer its fear and hatred of gays in the 1990s. That was written by activist Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. They laid out the agenda that we should portray gays as making them look good, making the victimizers look bad. Films and shows like Will and Grace make them look like they’re just two men in love with each other. And the problem is if in fact the Supreme Court does find a constitutional basis for same sex marriage, then you’re going to have pastors in pulpits who dare to preach out against homosexuality on a scriptural basis from the Bible…
Jason Hartman: Well, they’re getting sued already.
Jerome Corsi: On hate crimes. And the next step will be to go after the tax exempt status of the churches; much like the ACLU is going after the boy scouts for recruiting in the public schools when the boy scouts do not allow homosexual scout masters. So it’s a radical agenda to redefine and eliminate the family structures as normal under Judeo-Christian tradition. And that’s been one of the efforts and plans of the ACLU from the very beginning.
And I’m saying things like their entry into these cases like NAMBLA, pedophilia, indicates to me that the ACLU has a strategy here, which is to desensitize these various forms of sexual behavior. Once you move the Judeo-Christian tradition in which marriage is a sacrament, because procreation is the primary purpose for you for marriage. And that’s a gift from God to procreate life. And then with the responsibility to raise that life in a husband/wife family structure. Once you break that, once you break that, and say no that’s just an old idea, the antiquated Bible, well then we’ve done this before in human society. And that is any form of sexual behavior, and human beings can imagine many bizarre forms and we’ve done this in the ancient world with paganism. There was no limit to the variety of sexual activity that was considered normal.
And going back to books like Kirk and Madsen or even W Cleon Skousen in 1958 said that one of the agendas would be to make these various forms of different sexual behavior look normal and acceptable. That’s one of the major efforts to break the Judeo-Christian tradition and to break the definition of freedoms that our founding fathers put into the constitution and bill of rights.
Jason Hartman: Very interesting. But let me ask you a question about the Will and Grace concept. Did the ACLU fight to allow that show to be published? Did someone come out and say it shouldn’t be published? Because the thing that’s scary…
Jerome Corsi: I don’t think Will and Grace was ever challenged. I don’t think it was challenged. What I’m pointing out is that shows like that came out of a conscious public relations attack.
Jason Hartman: Oh, of course it did, of course it did. No question.
Jerome Corsi: The next set of shows they could easily go into, would be to justify and desensitize people on pedophilia.
Jason Hartman: But that’s what the media does in every aspect. The media does this with every social. It doesn’t follow society, it leads it for better or worse.
Jerome Corsi: Well sometimes it follows it, and sometimes it leads it in bizarre directions, but I’m saying here there was a conscious plan to utilize and manipulate media for the specific purpose of desensitizing what previously was considered aberrant sexual behaviors so that today they’re considered normal. And that has been a conscious attempt which I can trace back into the 50’s, and a written about conscious attempt.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, no question about it. But the scary part is there is that obviously you know just as I do that is a very slippery slope of the thought crime concept of oh, you can’t publish this. The next thing they’ll say is if you can’t publish that show, is you can’t have a show that’s anti-government. You can’t make anti-government statements on your Facebook page…
Jerome Corsi: I don’t think I’m arguing you can’t have the show. You could do a show tomorrow if you want to on pedophilia. I’ll be happy not to watch it.
Jason Hartman: Right. Exactly.
Jerome Corsi: But the point I’m making is that you’ve got here a conscious attempt not only to produce these shows, but to enter into litigation those to push the envelope in a concerted effort to redefine the legal structure around which traditional marriage has been in place for 2000 years. And that has been an effort that extends beyond the media into the law arena. And it is one I can point to cases where the ACLU has already begun on pedophilia. Now if you want to see the public relations campaign, I’ll send you a shell full of literature from the ancient Roman and Greek world for which they argue that pedophilia was important for the education of a boy. We’ve been down this road before. We just rejected it as the kind of behavior and ending up in the type of society that is not what our founding fathers had.
And the reason I’m concerned about this, is our founding fathers basically said, if we lose Judeo-Christian beliefs and along with it, not just belief in God but belief in the natural right type of moral code that was inherent in Judeo-Christian beliefs, we lose our liberty. And my point to you that you don’t seem to be getting, is that once the ACLU succeeds in redefining those same sex marriage, maybe next pedophilia, maybe next who knows what? Bestiality? Then as soon as you oppose these practices within the churches then you will be subject to hate crime definitions. It’s not intended to be tolerant on this.
And the ACLU has used the tolerance of Americans around the first amendment to redefine freedom of religion into freedom from religion. You can’t have a religious nativity scene in the public square, you can’t put a Bible on the desk of a public school. That Bible is used for private purposes.
Jason Hartman: That happened to a friend of mine. A gal that goes to my church, or well went to my church in Southern California when I lived there, she’s a teacher and she had a Bible on her desk and she was told that she could not have that in the classroom.
Jerome Corsi: And pretty soon you won’t be able to speak against some practices which the Bible defines as sinful. And so the ACLU are taking the freedom of religion out systematically from America. You can’t see God in the public square, you can’t see God anywhere in the public schools. Pretty soon you won’t be able to see Judeo-Christian beliefs openly professed without fear of imprisonment or fine with the church being closed down, you won’t have freedom of religion in the churches.
Jason Hartman: See Jerry, that’s the problem here, is that tolerance for one thing is intolerance for another thing. And the whole tolerance movement is basically intolerant of the opposing view. So where do you go with that?
Jerome Corsi: That’s what I’m saying. The original idea of the first amendment was that sure, all religions can participate. Islam, fine. But it was not assumed by Jefferson or Madison that Islam would be an intolerant religion. Nor was it assumed that if people wanted to be atheists and pursue bestiality that they’d be intolerant of anybody that didn’t accept their practice. And that’s where I’m saying we’ve come to. Which is a full circle away from a freedom of religion that was designed to protect Judeo-Christian beliefs. And the fact that it’s so seductive, it leads you along to saying well, what’s wrong with publishing NAMBLA literature? Why don’t we just publish everything?
Jason Hartman: I didn’t say that, by the way.
Jerome Corsi: I know, but I’m saying the intolerance which follows and the squashing of the Judeo-Christian beliefs slips in in a stealth fashion through the back door. In other words, in the name of defending civil liberty the ACLU works it around to anyone who doesn’t accept their atheistic position of anything goes in sex, it gets to that point, is going to be considered a bigot or a hate criminal.
Jason Hartman: And the people preaching the tolerance are the haters most of the time. That’s the reality of it.
Jerome Corsi: Well the people preaching tolerance, the less the ACLU when it comes to this point will not be preaching tolerance. They’re not tolerant of the boy scouts wanting to maintain a Judeo-Christian tradition. They’d rather shut down. Okay, now face an issue with Obamacare. The catholic church does not allow insurance for employees to include abortion, all kinds of contraceptives including the morning after pill. Well then, if the catholic church is saying if they have to do this they may just close down every catholic school in the United States, every catholic charity and every catholic hospital. And the left, the secular left say goodbye and good riddens. We’re coming to the point where true Judeo-Christian religion is going to be persecuted again in the United States under the guise of the first amendment. That’s the ACLU strategy I’m objecting to.
Jason Hartman: Agreed. So what should happen? What should the outcome be? Because I want to move on and get to the 410K issue and the Abiotic issue for just a moment too before you go. But Rush Limbaugh announced a couple of weeks ago, we’ve already lost this issue on the marriage issue. That’s what he was saying to his listeners. Where do we go from here?
Jerome Corsi: Well I don’t agree with that. My book ends up with the God Fights Back. And the way I read the Bible, I’m not the most perfect, excellent biblical scholar but when I read the Bible there’s not a single people I can find in the Bible that poke their fingers in God’s eyes and turn their back on God’s law and get rewarded. And I’m 100% convinced that the judgment of God will come on any nation that rejects the Judeo-Christian God. That’s the fundamental principle that you see over and over again in the Bible.
Now of course, people don’t believe. The Bible’s an old book, who cares, 2000 years ago. But I think we’ve demonstrated at WND, the Isaiah prophesy that we’ve been looking at in regards to the twin towers has been Jonathon Cahn I think has had a major impact in anticipating that the protection of God could be removed from the United States at some point.
I consider it to be bizarre that we have a tragedy like the Boston massacre shooting and the first thing that the president does is a knee jerk reaction for a prayer service. God’s got to be saying, well where have you people been? Praying in the public square, can’t pray in the schools… you’ve got to pray to me because you had a little tragedy? I don’t think that’s going to get a lot of points. So in the end, all of society has gone in the direction the ACLU is pushing the United States in. And in fact, every communist society I can look at and every socialist society has ended up in bankruptcy, mass murder and disaster. I don’t see a single one of them that’s succeeded.
So, in the end result, I’m saying God wins. Now, if we don’t want to get to that point, then it’s incumbent upon those of us who do believe in Judeo-Christian beliefs to fight back. And there are groups like the Alliance Defending Freedom and the American Center for Law and Justice, The Civic Justice Institute, Liberty Institute and the others that are out there putting lawyers into courts to fight the ACLU back. And they’re doing it creatively. Not only do they need the money with lawyers in court but they need the arguments. So for instance, in abortion I think progress is being made by attacking abortion on a state level and utilizing this legal concept that
Ronald Reagan helped champion a personhood which is the idea that the fetus from conception has rights as a human being, and used some of the public relation techniques back. That’s the sonograms, the photographs of fetuses so that people can appreciate you’re destroying a human being.
Jason Hartman: Isn’t it interesting though, I think the ACLU actually litigated a case on that saying that those pictures, those abortion pictures were too upsetting for children to see.
Jerome Corsi: Right. Well, pornography is not, right?
Jason Hartman: Yeah it’s interesting.
Jerome Corsi: This case with the late term abortion. These cases need to be made public. One of our congressmen has begun circulating a slogan saying if fetuses had second amendment rights, there would be fewer abortions. And I think we need to begin to champion these concepts as push back, utilizing Judeo-Christian principles as believers to show that a godless agenda of killing preborn babies is not only against God’s law, but it’s against the principles our founding fathers created of inalienable rights, in other words the right of a human being to live, but put into that human being by God at conception. And these I think are the legal arguments we need as well as funding. Because it’s very easy to live in a relativistic world, or live in a libertarian world. As long as it doesn’t hurt anybody, who cares? But unfortunately the Judeo-Christian tradition is arguing that there is a natural law, in other words a set of morals that humans can live by that are conducive to a moral society.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, it’s not moral relativism.
Jerome Corsi: And conducive to salvation. This set of other morals in fact lead in the opposite direction. And we’ve had experience. We’ve been down this path, as I said, before. Go look at the darkest phase of Roman antiquity and see what paganism was like to live under at that period in time.
Jason Hartman: Well, Jerry Corsi, very interesting book. It’s about time we had another magnum opus on the ACLU. And again, the book title is Bad Samaritans, the ACLU’s relentless campaign to erase faith from the public square. And tell people where they can get the book of course, and give out your website if you would.
Jerome Corsi: Well, the book is available everywhere and is published. And at book stores or book stores will get them for you, as well as Amazon.com and barnes&noble.com, wnd.com superstore. I’m the senior staff reporter for wnd, the book is available there. And I really do think that the Bad Samaritans book is the most important book I’ve ever written at least from my perspective. I think it’s one of the issues in terms of the defense of the Judeo-Christian beliefs, the Judeo-Christian God in the United States. This is something I feel we must maintain.
Jason Hartman: Fantastic. Jerome Corsi, thank you so much for joining us today.
Jerome Corsi: Jason, it’s been a real honor and pleasure to be back with you. Thank you very much.
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