In this episode, Jason talks with producer Sean Stone about his television program, Buzzsaw. Sean, the son of Oilver Stone, partnered with Tyrel Ventura to create a better way to convey conspiracies compared to that of the mainstream media.
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Start of Interview with Sean Stone
Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Sean Stone to the show. If you think that name is familiar, that is Oliver Stone’s son and he’s been working on some great things including Buzzsaw which is a weekly talk show hosted by Tyrel Ventura and he’s just got a lot of interesting stuff that he’s working on and it’s great to have him here today. He grew up in the film world of course and has acted since childhood in Oliver Stone’s films included The Doors, JFK, Natural Born Killers and many others. And it’s great to have him here joining us today. Sean, welcome, how are you?
Sean Stone: I’m good. Thanks.
Jason Hartman: Are you located in Los Angeles?
Sean Stone: Yeah, I am. I’m between L.A. and New York.
Jason Hartman: Fantastic. Well, it’s great to have you on the show. Tell us what you’ve been working on. Buzzsaw is pretty intriguing.
Sean Stone: Indeed, yeah. Buzzsaw’s a spinoff from Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura. I came on board the last season as a co-host with Tyrel who is Jesse’s son. And Tyrel and I became pretty much the two lead conspiracy hosts because Jesse wasn’t able to travel thanks to his TSA lawsuit that was ongoing. So, we were kind of like in the fields, doing a lot of the interviews and what not. And unfortunately that show Conspiracy Theory came to an end. TruTV decided not to extend the year lease if you want to call it.
So, as that show came to an end, Tyrel and I were approached by a friend of ours over at The Lip TV. We started discussing something that we can do on the show in studio and we decided on Buzzsaw because it takes on that kind of tonality of conspiracy theory which is part of the first hour roughly as Tyrel and his co-host Tabitha Wallace who go through news of the week. They’ll turn up news that maybe you haven’t picked up from the mainstream media and they give their slant on it on those news topics.
And then the second hour is generally myself and Tyrel interviewing somebody in a more conspiratorial bend and giving a different perspective on reality whether it’s the news of the week or bigger issues. So, we’ve interviewed people like Daniel Ellsberg about corruption inside of the world bank system. And then we’ve gone to like the esoteric and interviewed freemasons and people from the UFO community. So, we really to touch upon a lot of different topics and keep surprising the guests.
Most recently we had Professor Griff on from Public Enemy talking about the Illuminati. So, we’ve got a lot of cool topics and guests that we bring on. And the idea is just to have that dialogue in actually a more timely way than even a conspiracy theory because those shows were scripted and prepared in advance. So they had much more management of content whereas we can pretty much just do it ourselves and there’s less censorship in that sense which is us being able to improvise and ask the questions we want to ask them and discuss for a longer period of time. We can have a 30 minute conversation which goes into much more detail than you can on a show like Conspiracy Theory when you’re trying to entertain people and touch upon big issues within like 15 seconds, 20 second hits. So, it’s tough.
Jason Hartman: Everything cannot be boiled down to a sound bite, can it, Sean?
Sean Stone: Yeah, exactly. I like that about The Lip. The Lip is the network that broadcasts Buzzsaw. And the idea is The Lip is about talking. Let’s talk about it. They want longer segments, 30 minutes to an hour long piece of discussion. He used to have on PBS these conversations and now the news has been broiled down to topics of sound bites. I was on Bill O’Reilly and it’s like clearly it’s just the pressure is on you, you get 5 minutes or less, and the guy is just basically throwing question after question. It’s very difficult to have a sane debate or discussion in that context.
Jason Hartman: That’s a really interesting thing about the new media. It really allows for much deeper thought. At the same time, we have all this information hitting us. I think people are so distracted and television has been called the idiot’s medium because it’s so quick. It’s not in depth enough. And you can really go deep on these subjects, can’t you?
Sean Stone: Infinitely deep. I mean, my life has been investigating history and the nature of reality, the esoteric aspects of it. I mean, these are the topics that fascinate me and I think that’s why maybe people like to tell stories in film, TV shows. They’re trying to basically get questions of a deeper nature that leave the audience questioning them and wanting to know more. In some senses, I feel like there’s more reality to a good drama in that sense than to a lot of news shows and things that are presenting the world to you like this is the way reality is on the news. But I think, in a sense, you actually learn more about reality from a good film, from a good dramatic narrative or a tragedy or a good comedy. It gives you a philosophical message or a spiritual message which can be much deeper resonance.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, I definitely agree. I want to talk about some of your guests and topics that you’ve cit’overed in more depth. But before we do that, Sean, I’d like to ask you your thoughts on conspiracies in general or conspiracy theories in general and how the mainstream media has always marginalized those who talk about conspiracy theories.
I just think it’s really ridiculous. I had a guest on one of my shows recently who was talking about some “conspiracy theories” and he kept apologizing for it saying “I don’t want to get all tinfoil hat on you”. And I said “Stop apologizing for this. There are conspiracies all around us.” I mean, it’s just two people hatching a plan. The United States was a conspiracy. I mean, what’s the big deal? Why is that marginalized? It’s so ridiculous.
You start talking about the JFK assassination. Oh, god. You don’t want to be want of those weirdo conspiracy theorists, those out there people. This needs to change.
Sean Stone: Yeah, in fact I was reading something recently that talked about the post Kennedy assassination, there were conspiracy theories that are cropping up constantly in the mainstream media. And before then, it was very rarely referenced in mainstream thought. Then post ’64, conspiracy starts popping up as a word more and more. What’s the question exactly as far as why is it marginalized? What’s the question.
Jason Hartman: I’m the king of the compound question, so I apologize. But don’t you think it’s ridiculous? Maybe the use of this “conspiracy theory” phrase as though it’s some derogatory term needs to go the way of the N word. I mean, it’s ridiculous. I mean, you can’t talk about anything anymore without someone trying to marginalize someone that has a conspiracy theory. And a lot of these conspiracies, they’re true.
Sean Stone: Honestly, my attitude about it is that I say I’m a conspiracy theorist. I don’t have a problem with it. I feel that there has been a shift actually in our lifetime.
Jason Hartman: It’s getting better.
Sean Stone: Yeah, it went from being the idea of conspiracy was relegated to news of the world type of lampoon, newspapers that only lampooned reality, and then it moved from that to more and more like groups trying to spread the message, trying to put out literature – it was harder to find. The irony of course is you get things like Carol Quigley’s Tragedy & Hope which is written in the 60s I believe. And that is a historical text written by a Georgetown professor, a tremendously respected figure, he trains Bill Clinton amongst others. And quickly he’s writing about the conspiracy of the British Empire to preserve themselves to the commonwealth and he’s talking about conspiracies in his history very openly.
So, it’s like in a certain sense, there was always acceptable form of talking about conspiracy without using that word necessarily, and then there was the tinfoil hat group, as you were saying, who were talking about aliens and talking about different dimensions and that was all sci-fi radical nonsense . And over time, these two groups I think are starting to come together to the point now where in this time period when you can do shows like Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura or have a film like Mel Gibson’s Conspiracy Theory, then you normalize the notion of conspiracy theories. And at the same time, you can have people who are more openly saying – like a Richard Dolan – it was someone who was a professor, who is an educated person, able to take on things like the UFO phenomenon.
That’s what we also talked about on Buzzsaw was the citizen’s hearing on disclosure which was sponsored by Edgar Mitchell who is a former astronaut. And he has like 40 witnesses testifying to their encournters with UFOs and these people coming from the military, they’re sane, rational people who are not just some tinfoil hat types talking about the UFO phenomenon.
So, I feel like you’ve come from different levels of looking at conspiracy and now you’re coming from that point when someone can be a scholar, a researcher, and also have theories about UFOs and other dimensions. I think it’s the nature of reality. The point is that you have physicists and scientists who are saying there’s the mainstream notion of it, just like health – there’s the doctors and the scientists who are saying this is the mainstream version of reality, relativity theory based on Newtonian physics – that leads to the idea of the body which is compartmentalized and it’s under attack from viruses.
And then you start to get to the moralistic version of reality which is saying that there’s other dimensions that are affecting us, that we are in contact with other entities, probably so that we have psychic abilities that we’re not even fully cognoscent of understanding. The brain power is just tremendous – quantum physics is real. This is a subjective universe. The body is a holistic energy embodied – it’s a standing wave that’s being influenced by other dimensions. I mean, this changes…If you can get to this holistic level of viewing things, this changes everything.
And I think that’s more and more becoming normalized in a sense. There are more professors, there are more scholars, there are more intelligent, intellectual people and they’re recognizing each other thanks to the internet, thanks to this highway of information that allows us not only to learn but also to recognize that we’re not alone in our thoughts, that we’re having ideas that might be counterintuitive or counter to the establishment. We’re not alone in thinking that. There’s many more people out there than you’re allowed to realize. And the mainstream media is not actually really necessarily in touch with what most people really feel inside or what most people are thinking.
Jason Hartman: Yeah. I mean, the mainstream media covers so few stories. And whenever there’s a big story, it’s all they cover that it’s just ridiculous that you don’t hear about the rest of the news. So, that’s a good point. Well, maybe talk a little bit about some of the more interesting things that you’ve covered on Buzzsaw. I mean, take it wherever you want. I mean, whatever kind of story, it doesn’t matter. Just anything that’s interesting – maybe you’re working on it now or it’s something you worked on recently.
Sean Stone: Yeah. I mean, on Buzzsaw it’s nice because we get to do interviews with people that In a sense you respect their work or you’re curious to hear their thoughts or you can ask the questions that, as an audience, let’s say you’re someone reading books, you always wanted to go deeper and learn more. So there’s not like there’s one particular Buzzsaw episode – I think we’ve done some interesting work. I mentioned the citizens here on disclosure, covering that conference that took place in April because the [0:14:07.7] was pretty much in charge of creating with Edgar Mitchell sponsoring it. And we had a bunch of great speakers and participants to do this mock congressional panel inquiry on the UFO phenomenon.
And they’re putting together the documentary series they’re after, but the fact that they achieved this panel and they were even mentioned in the mainstream media – I mean, the point was the mainstream media had to mention the fact that this was going on because there were former congressmen who were overseeing this inquiry and that’s where Paul Hellyer’s testimony came out when he said that, as a Canadian former Minister of Defense, he would say that the UFO phenomena was real and that there really are aliens here. I mean, there was some wild stuff that came out of that. So, I was glad to have Steve Bassett on to talk about the conference.
Some people had little freemasons talking about the spiritual trap that they see, like this earth is a trap for souls basically. And we had gotten into some very esoteric issues, the reptilian idea, the idea that there are reptilian aliens that, at least in an extra-dimensional sense, let’s say are controlling and manipulating this planet energetically for a long time.
Jason Hartman: See, this kind of stuff is where it gets too far out for me.
Sean Stone: Oh yeah?
Jason Hartman: Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I’m certainly open to the possibility that there’s other life and maybe we’ve been visited and all that kind of stuff, but I just don’t know what to do with that thought process. No one has really produced anything very tangible in all these years since Project Blue Book which I think was in the 50s – didn’t that start in the 50s? And it seems like there used to be all these sightings and now you almost never hear of a sighting. And everybody’s got a camera in their phone.
Sean Stone: I think it’s quite the oppose.
Jason Hartman: Okay, enlighten me, please.
Sean Stone: The interesting thing about the sightings, you go to YouTube and I guarantee you’ll see some really interesting videos of crafts that have been sighted in space. I’ve seen maybe 2 or 3 UFOs in Los Angeles and I am someone who has believed for a long time but out of the strangest occasions I’ve seen strange lights in the sky, ships flying over. The UFO thing to me is so proven at this point that it’s not so much a question of whether or not they are existing, it’s a question of when you see a UFO, where is it coming from? Because I believe that obviously there’s black projects that’s very advanced military intelligence operations. And some of these crafts belong to them. But then I think there’s also this question of the inter-dimensional beings.
And I got into this stuff because I was studying a lot of esoteric literature. I was talking to David Icke and people like that, trying to understand the esoteric roots of masonry and the Templar Knights and trying to understand what is this tradition where Icke talks about not just the spiritual, not just the metaphysical, but other dimensions of consciousness and reality. And frankly, I never had a magical experience or an out of body experience or anything like that until I started breaking into these mental hospitals in 2009 and I was breaking into these abandoned mental hospitals that were notoriously haunted places and gathering points for black magic rituals and Satanists and what not. And my friend who co-wrote Greystone Park, my film that we ended up making, we experienced all these strange supernatural phenomena. And at that point when you start to experience it and you start to see that there is another dimension of reality, that the spiritual practices of the religions points to these beings, these alien entities, demons, jinns they’re called in Islam, and there is a reality to that.
But it’s not in a three dimensional form of understanding. There are other dimensions that we’re interacting with and it’s’ a question, in a sense, of allowing your pineal gland, the third eye, to open, to actually start to see it and to start to see that influence, because I always say the material physical existence we see is affected by the spiritual existence, what we call spiritual which is a more advanced science in a sense. It was Arthur C. Clarke who said that what people call magic is just a very advanced science that they can’t comprehend. And I think that’s really what’s going on is that we’re at that point now of starting to realize that these people have been coming out whistleblowing for so many years talking about time travel, talking about aliens, talking about underground bases, that there is a reality to it and the military has been interacting. But they’re dealing with such an advanced form of technology that to most people it would be alien or it would be magic.
But we’ve been here before. That’s one thing I can tell you – military intelligence guys will tell you that humans have been on this planet for much, much longer than the Darwinists would want you to believe. And we’ve been around for multiple cycles and we’ve had rises and falls of population and we’ve been sunk in a sense, not sunk literally but just over time whether it was nuclear war or tumultuous climate change and what not. But those civilizations have risen and fallen so many times that you really start to wonder if birth itself is not some kind of tremendous experiment of aliens. In that case, how would you know it? If you were a rat in a maze, how would you know that you were just an experiment?
And that’s the problem. We’re dealing with human consciousness and when you go beyond that, you start to see things, interact with things that we call supernatural, paranormal. But I guarantee almost everyone, if not everyone, has had something paranormal happen in their lives if you asked them about it on a personal level. And they won’t admit it publically, but you get to it and then start talking about it – it’s pretty interesting.
Jason Hartman: Right, it sure it. And there’s certainly a lot more going on than we understand. Even the most skeptical person has to admit that, that there’s a lot more than we can comprehend. So, it’s certainly true. Have you done any stories on the Federal Reserve, the monetary system, the people who are really running the world, anything like that? I’m always fascinated by the Bilderberg group, the Rothschild family, that kind of stuff.
Sean Stone: We did an interview with Daniel Estulin who is one of the most famous authors about the Bilderberg group and he covers it on a yearly basis. We had him on to talk about this past year’s Bilderberg conference since a lot of their aims it seems like one of the big initiatives right now is towards cybernetics and the merging of the computer consciousness and human consciousness. And here we have basically synchronizing us through chips and what not. Obviously, that’s another big concern for people who are aware of the new world order is the question of human beings being chipped if we’re not already. I mean, my friends who kind of jokes and says people worry about being chipped – they have their cell phone – that’s as close as it gets. That’s with you at all times, right? We don’t have to chip you. We got your cell phone. But the Bilderberg group is an interesting one.
A lot of our episodes are discussions, reference the Federal Reserve system, the creation of money. I think Pye Ian was an interesting guy that we talked to recently about the coming collapse of The US because of the debt issue and how we’ve been basically putting off hyperinflation because of the fact that the dollar itself is a global currency. But he’s saying sooner or later, it’s going to catch up with us and they lift the debt ceiling in order to not have to default. But the money currency issue is a tremendous problem.
And actually, I’m always open to guests who would be willing to discuss this from an insider’s point of view because that’s obviously a difficult thing to figure out is what is the real agenda if the elite are as organized as we presume they are. What is the agenda as the financial system will have to at some point collapse and readjust? Because you can’t deal with this level of increasing inflation.
Jason Hartman: Right. I’ll offer my opinion on that. The first part of it is that The US can keep kicking the can down the road for a lot longer than most people think. And we’ve got the reserve currency. Yes, that requires other countries to cooperate in that and I think we can kind of throw our weight around and we can bully them into it because we’ve got the biggest military, we’ve got the biggest economy. Admittedly, it’s built on a house of card but it still looks like the biggest economy even though it’s smoke and mirrors, but it’s very ingenious the way the whole thing’s been built. I think we can kick that can down the road for a long, long time. And I think we will just progressively have more and more inflation and most people who aren’t in the know will just be progressively getting poorer because of it. And that’s a sad state of affairs, but I think it’s just the way it is. The elite, we’re not even really what we call the elite, just the wealthy and the sophisticated. They all know how to invest for inflation. They’ll buy assets, they’ll buy them with leverage. That debt will get debased by inflation. They’ll actually become richer, certainly relative to their uninformed neighbors. But it’s just an interesting state of affairs. And then ultimately, when we do have to pay the piper someday, which mathematically, Sean, we should have had to do a long time ago…
Sean Stone: Right. If we were on the gold standard, for sure it would not have lasted.
Jason Hartman: Of course. We kick the can down the road though because of those things I mentioned. We’ve got the biggest brand, we’ve got the biggest military, we’ve got the biggest economy. But ultimately, what I think happens after that is a global fiat currency. And when that happens and it is global, it’s checkmate. People will have very little control over their own lives when that day comes if it ever does come.
Sean Stone: I’m just curious – as your point of view, do you think that the Affordable Care Act, the Obamacare, do you think it’s actually a divisive issue or is it just being played as such for public consumption? Do you think it’s really creating division between republicans and democrats in Washington or is that a spectacle?
Jason Hartman: That’s a very good way to put that question. And I think that the spectacle in Washington, D. C. is like watching a wrestling match. It’s fake, it’s a show.
Sean Stone: That’s what Jesse Ventura said.
Jason Hartman: Well, that’s what G. Edward Griffin says too and I couldn’t agree with it more. I had him on the show a couple of times. And of course he wrote the book The Creature From Jekyll Island which is kind of a seminal work on the Federal Reserve. And it is a distraction – I agree there’s something to that. However, I also think, at the same time, it will be a disaster. I think there’s real meat to the disaster that’s coming our way in health care, but we’ve kind of got a disaster now. So, I don’t know. The system’s broken as it is and I think it’s gonna be more broken in the future.
Sean Stone: Do you think there’s going to be something positive about it or do you think it’s as bad as the republicans are saying?
Jason Hartman: I don’t think the way Obama has presented it is the way to fix it. I think there are some interim steps that could have helped a lot. I don’t know. I’m not gonna really comment on what the republicans are saying but I think both parties a bunch of crooks, frankly.
Sean Stone: That’s for sure.
Jason Hartman: Sean, we all know they’re in the same club. They all go golfing together. They all go have drinks together at the bar. They’re friends. They look like adversaries, but come on.
Sean Stone: One thing that scares me was this talk about this relationship between Hollywood and Washington. And you have obviously Jack Valenti who was Johnson’s right hand man. Was he the Chief of Staff? Anyway, he was very close to Johnson. The point is that he then took over as the head of the Academy of Motion Picture in science.
Jason Hartman: Right. So, he was in charge of the ratings, right?
Sean Stone: That’s what it was. What was he, like a script writer for Johnson’s speeches? But anyway, the point is he’s very close to Johnson. He takes over at the Academy of Motion Picture. And sure enough, Chris Dodd, who is like one of these typical crooks from Congress protecting/backing Wall Street essentially, now he’s out here and running the Academy of Motion Picture. I’m like what the heck? This is about as obvious and flagrant as it gets.
Jason Hartman: It’s such a tangled web and it really is obvious, but they just do it. They feel like they’re immune to criticism, immune to reproach. In many ways, they probably are unfortunately. What else? What do you have coming up on Buzzsaw?
Sean Stone: David Icke, actually. We’re going to have an interview with him coming up this weekend I believe. And then I think you’ll see – we always try to surprise people with some interesting guests. Hopefully the network will expand. It’s the time – that’s for sure. It’s the time for people to fight back. I mean, we just see Buzzsaw as one amongst many potential catalysts against this new world order machine. The awakening begins on an individual level. So the more people we can reach and open their minds to actually discussing and having discussions in these terms – changing the paradigm, changing the framework by which you can speak and think, then that’s really where the battle’s going to be won. We’ve got to get the people away from the idiot box that is TV.
Jason Hartman: Get them into the deeper discussion definitely. What’s your dad working on nowadays?
Sean Stone: He’s done a few projects that’s he’s been developing. But he may be doing something on Martin Luther King that was announced recently but it’s still early. Who knows how it’s going to evolve? Hopefully he’ll get it going pretty soon.
Jason Hartman: Right, fantastic. Well, Sean Stone, it’s been a pleasure talking to you. Give out your website if you would – tell people where they can watch the show or any other websites you have, you want people to know about.
Sean Stone: The show airs on YouTube but the website is TheLip.tv and Buzzsaw is on that site. And then the best way to reach me is through Facebook. I have a fan page and people can send messages there, Twitter @scstone5. Follow me and communicate with me directly and that’s the best way to reach me.
Jason Hartman: Fantastic. Sean Stone, thanks for joining us today.
Sean Stone: Absolutely, yeah. Thanks so much for having me.
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Guest: Sean Stone
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