Human domestication from a less natural diet and lifestyle has slowly but surely led to degeneration of our species. Jason Hartman is joined by Daniel Vitalis, health and nutrition specialist, for a discussion of getting back to the “wild,” understanding the effect of our processed and hybrid foods, and learning how wild plants are medicinal and healthier for a long and healthy life. For more fascinating details, visit: www.HolisticSurvival.com. Daniel explains that the domestic foods have been designed to be more palatable, while wild foods tend to be bitter. He gives a history lesson on bananas, which were originally full of seeds, less fleshy, and very small, needing to be cooked to be eaten. The yellow banana that we consume today came about in the 1800’s. As an illustrative example of mutated domestication, he points out that all of the dogs we have today came from the gray wolf, which is the same mutation process that has happened with food, called GMOs. Daniel encourages travel and acclimating to other temperatures, foods and water to make the body stronger. This influence on your body through environment is called epigenetics, making body changes at the genetic level.
Daniel explains that people think degenerative diseases are happening because we’re living longer today, but this is a misnomer. Our bodies began premature degeneration around 10,000 years ago when farming began. This is when arthritis and cavities first began to appear. Indigenous people and wild animals do not suffer the same degenerative processes as domesticated people and animals and this is due to the difference in diet and how they live with the environment. Compact cities and urban communities have been a feeding ground for disease, and the main cure for such diseases as polio were from the introduction of plumbing more than from vaccines. Daniel emphasizes that the interaction with natural soil and landscapes provides immunity and a strong sense of wellbeing, reducing the need for manmade medicines.
Daniel Vitalis is a Leading Health, Nutrition, and Personal Development Strategist as well as a Nature Based Philosopher. He teaches that our Invincible Health is a product of living in alignment with our biological design and our role in the ecosystem. Daniel incorporates the wisdom of indigenous peoples into our modern lives. His entertaining, motivational and magnetic delivery style has made him an in-demand public speaker in North America and abroad. Daniel is the creator of www.FindASpring.com – A resource helping the public find clean, fresh, wild water – Free of manmade pollutants, wherever they live. He is also a founding member of www.SurThrival.com, the suppliers of premier, biologically active and fully natural nutritional medicines for regeneration, immunity and healthy endocrine function. He can be found at www.DanielVitalis.com, www.SurThrival.com, www.FindASpring.com.
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Start of Interview with Daniel Vitalis
Jason Hartman: My pleasure to welcome Daniel Vitalis to the show. He is the founder of Rewild Yourself, Rewild the Planet. He’s a leading health and nutrition and personal development strategist. And I think he’s gonna talk to us about some really interesting stuff today in terms of survival, health, avoiding degenerative diseases and so forth. Daniel, welcome. How are you?
Daniel Vitalis: Thanks so much for having me on the show today. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate everybody who’s taking the time to listen today.
Jason Hartman: My pleasure. You’ve got some really interesting work, interesting websites. What got you interested in this whole field?
Daniel Vitalis: I was a teenager still. When I was about 15 years old, I had a question in my mind – it had been ruminating for many, many years – the question was what’s natural for people to do? I mean, what I was feeling was I could tell that the way we were living was very unnatural for us and I was starting to notice at a young age that it seems like actually we were fighting our own nature, repressing ourselves, and it seemed to me it was making us sick. And I knew that there was something wrong with the food we were living, the way we were eating. And I had this question, what does a natural diet for people look like?
And I grew up in that era where we had sort of, in schools, left behind the bible teaching, had moved into this Darwinian teaching, and the teaching I was getting was you’re an animal. You’re an animal that lives on planet Earth, and I thought, well, if I’m an animal, then don’t I have a natural diet like all the other animals? And if so, what is it? That really led me on a health quest, just seeking out what natural food was. And I arrived at some really fascinating conclusions. I think those conclusions can do a lot for anybody who’s listening. It could do a lot for their health and disease proofing them for a lifetime so that they can really live out their true potential.
Because what I see happen is human domestication. They’re similar to plant domestication or animal domestication, human domestication is leading to a lot of degeneration in our physiology. It’s making us sick. So when I say rewilding, I don’t mean for people to go live out in a teepee, but I do think that each of us can bring a little bit more of our natural instinct into play and a little bit more of our natural way of life into play for our health and for our vitality.
Jason Hartman: So, is this the same? I mean, in terms of the diet aspect of what you do and what you recommend, is this the same as the paleo diet?
Daniel Vitalis: Let me break down for a second the difference. The paleo diet is this brilliant idea. I love this idea, but here’s one of the challenges I see in it. The paleo diet assumes that what’s natural for us is what our European Paleolithic ancestors were doing. But the truth is human being humans live all over the planet, not just in Neolithic Europe, so human beings are adapted to lots of different climates and lots of different extremes. There are people who are very adapted to jungle-like environments. And their diet would have been very different from the Paleolithic and European if that makes sense.
Another big difference is this. When we hear about all these different diets, we hear about the paleo diet, we hear about the South Beach diet, we hear about the vegan diet, the vegetarian diet, the raw food diet, there’s all these different diets out there, this is what’s most fascinating about them. They’re all rearrangements of the same groups of food and all those foods are found in supermarkets. Now, here’s what’s fascinating. Almost every single food – there’s very few exceptions – almost every food in your supermarket is a non-natural food. In other words, they can’t be found growing in nature. You might ask yourself sometime how come I’ve never been walking in the woods and bumped into a wild cabbage? How come I’ve never walked in the woods and ran into a broccoli? These things don’t actually exist in nature. What they are are mutated plants, mutated animals that we’ve domesticated out of wild animals.
Now, here’s where we come back to this paleo idea. The paleo diet assumes that they’re creating the diet like our ancestors ate, but the problem is the foods that they use are not the foods our ancestors had. None of them existed. A lot of people don’t realize the yellow banana that they eat was invented in 1800s and it’s a sterile clone. So every banana that you eat is a sterile clone. It’s a plant that cannot produce sexually anymore. Those little black spots we see in the center of the banana, that’s sterile seed remnants and the plant is always a clone. So if I said, hey Jason, you want to come over tonight? We’re gonna have some cloned cow for dinner. You’d say, you know, man, I’m really not interested probably in the cloned cow. But we eat cloned apple, we eat cloned bananas. All the fruits that we’re eating in our civilization today are clones, they’re mostly sterile, and interestingly they’re not found in nature. These are domesticated organisms. So, our diets differ a lot from the diets of our ancestors and that most of the foods we eat can’t be found in nature.
Jason Hartman: Wow. What is found? You recommend we eat what’s found in nature?
Daniel Vitalis: Here’s what I think. I think we’re in a position now where most of us are not in a place where we’re gonna run outside and start foraging our food from nature. That’s just not an option for most people. Now, it’s something that I love to do, but I can’t do it exclusively. So, I do a lot of that but let me go a little deeper into this for a second. If I sent you out to your yard right now and I said, hey, go grab some dandelion grains and bring them inside and let’s eat them. What would happen is it’d be easy probably for you to identify those dandelion greens, you’d bring them in and we’d eat them and we’d notice that there was a distinct flavor that we don’t usually notice in our supermarket vegetables. And that would be bitter. And that makes sense, right? Because most wild plants are very bitter. Now, most of the plants we buy at the supermarket, let’s take our lettuce as an example, not very bitter, not very bitter at all. Wild plants are very bitter because wild plants contain bitter medicine. These are called alkaloids. These alkaloids are the herbal medicines that are in wild plants.
Now today – follow me on this one because I think this is an important point – the wild plants that we used to eat contained bitter flavors because there were medicinal components in those plants. The plants that we breed for our food supply today have been bred to remove all the bitter flavors and that essentially means we’ve removed all the medicinal compounds.
Now, here’s the fascinating thing. Check this out. If there’s no medicine left in our food supply and human beings have evolved or adapted or were created or however you want to say that, we come from an environment that’s rich in plant medicines. Our ancestors, tribal people, traditional people all over the world ate all these plants every day that had medicine. That means that our diet today is deficient in medicine. There’s no medicine left in it. What happens is people, even if they eat what looks like a very natural diet, they have a medicine deficiency. That’s why so many people have to turn to pharmaceutical medicine. And the thing about pharmaceutical medicine is most pharmaceuticals come from plants. They either are taken directly from plants or they’re synthesized from plant compounds. So what happens is people eat a domesticated diet deficient in medicine, they get sick and then they end up going to pharmaceuticals.
And so what’s so great when we start to go towards more natural foods is that there are medicines in natural foods and we can start to actually heal ourselves at that deep genetic level because our bodies are really adapted to natural foods. Yes, it’s challenging for a lot of people to go out and forage wild plants, but what we can do is start eating foods that are closer to their wild state and also using herbs and herbalism to sort of replace those medicines that used to be in our diet.
Jason Hartman: Nobody will want to eat these foods, right? Because they’ll taste so bad.
Daniel Vitalis: Let me give you an example of some of the great wild plants you could find at your supermarket. Let’s say you went to your supermarket and you found maple syrup. Maple syrup is the blood or the sap of wild maple trees. That’s a food that the Native American people adapted to here in North America. How amazing, that’s a wild food. How about if we went to the supermarket, we went to the frozen food section and we found blueberries there? We found wild frozen blueberries. We’d be dealing with a wild berry in its natural state compared against say something like the banana which is a sterile clone invented in the 1800s. This is an ancient food, the blueberry and it’s a food that’s very good for us and it’s sugar profiles and it’s oil profiles and the antioxidant profiles are the same as the one that’s found in nature, so that’s a very ancestral food.
How about wild rice which we can find in our supermarket which is still largely harvested by Native American people out in Great Lakes region? And that’s a wild grain. It doesn’t have those high gluten content that cause so many of the allergies people are suffering from today from eating these extremely hybridized wheats and oats and these genetically modified corns. So it’s an ancestral food. And my point is there’s a lot of food actually available to us. Many of the fishes that we get today are still wild from the sea, still intact and wild just like the ones we ate ancestrally.
Now, the thing is, the more we domesticate and the more we farm food, the deeper we take it into this domestication place and the safer people get and we can see that. The great intermediary, though, is that people initially, especially if they eat a very standard American diet, the most important thing they can do is just start moving towards organic foods, start going to farmer’s markets and actually getting food locally produced and bringing a little bit of herbalism into their life in the form of teas or tinctures, very simple things we can do to begin getting some plant medicine back into our lives because otherwise what ends up happening is we have that medicine deficiency I mentioned and we end up needing to turn to pharmaceuticals.
Jason Hartman: And so bananas invented in the 1800s, I did not know this. Are they good for you or bad for you? I mean, everybody says bananas are good for you.
Daniel Vitalis: That’s a great question. Now, the banana itself was not invented in the 1800s. The Cavendish banana, the yellow banana we grew up with was. So here’s what happened. If you can imagine all the way back into pre-history, let’s say in India where bananas were first cultivated. There, we find the wild banana. Now, the wild banana’s just a bit bigger than your thumb. And if you cut it open, you’d notice that it’s completely filled up with feeds and there was very little flesh in it. And the flesh that would be in that banana would need to be cooked in order to be edible. That’s the wild banana. The banana we have today has been blimped up, overinflated, hyper-sugared and is actually a very sick plant. In fact, there’s a lot of people concerned that that yellow banana we eat today won’t survive into the next century because of all the diseases that are attacking this plant now.
Jason Hartman: So, this banana today, the yellow one, is it good for you or bad for you?
Daniel Vitalis: It depends. If you’re eating at McDonalds every day, then I think the banana would be great for you. But if you’re looking to take your diet to this next level that I’m talking about which is you anchor in your organic food and then you anchor in the local food at that point, here’s the question. If you’re living in say – I’m in Maine right now – so here I am living in Maine, what food makes more sense for me? Food that comes from the soil that I walk on, in other words locally produced food, or should I have a sterile cloned fruit picked on ripe, gassed ripened, and then shipped via truck and plane from South America over the equator up to North America where I then go into a supermarket and pay 80% markup on it. How healthy will that be for me compared to the foods that are being produced in my environment? So, I think the banana are a great step for some people because a lot of us have been raised on extremely processed food and it’s a less processed food, however it’s hardly the ultimate because it’s not even coming from the place that most of us live. I mean, not a lot of bananas are grown in the US, right?
Jason Hartman: Right. But, then again, we’re not coming from the place we necessarily live either. Everybody’s so mobile nowadays, what’s the difference? If you were born in South America, I assume you have bananas on trees, right? Does that mean only South Americans should eat them?
Daniel Vitalis: Let me go a little deeper into some of my philosophy because your point is fantastic and an obvious question.
Jason Hartman: Here’s something you can weave into it because I did a show on GMOs, genetically modified foods, right, so I guess bananas and broccoli are genetically modified then a long, long time ago. So I’d like you to address that too.
Daniel Vitalis: Those plants are modified at the breeding level. Let me give you an example. I love talking about dogs because dogs are so fascinating. Every domesticated dog you’ve ever encountered is a grey wolf. A lot of people do not know that. Every dog, the Chihuahua, the shiatsu, the pit bull, the Dotson, every one is a grey wolf. The progenitor of all domesticated dogs is the wild grey wolf, and all dogs are a form of the grey wolf but they’re a mutated form. We didn’t do it through direct genetic modification, we did it through breeding, does that make sense? So, you just mentioned broccoli. Now, here’s an interesting thing. Broccoli, kale, collard, cabbage, kohlrabi, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, all of those plants I just said, they’re only one plant. That’s the same plant.
Jason Hartman: Wow.
Daniel Vitalis: Now, what’s so fascinating is the wild plant is something you would walk right by, you wouldn’t even recognize it. It’s a small weed that’s native to Europe. We’ve mutated it into broccoli, kale, cabbage, all of these plants that we eat now. We’ve mutated it in the same way we’ve mutated dogs out of the wolf if that makes sense. Today, we’re taking it to another level. Genetic engineering, as you know, is where we actually cross species or kingdoms of life at a genetic level and this is a very dangerous game we’re playing because all the preliminary research is indicating that those GMOs damage the kidneys, they damage the liver, they damage the reproductive system particularly. So we know that this is taking it even further. But I’d like to sort of point out this has been underway a long time. We’ve been breeding and changing things now. It doesn’t mean that it’s bad for us all the time. It just means, hey, let’s become aware of it.
I’m just saying let’s be aware that we live in a very domesticated world. What I really think and the reason I named my company SurThrival is because I believe that we need to thrive in this sort of interesting survival situation we’re in on the planet today. And my philosophy is the best thing you can do is adapt yourself to the environment you’re in. So, I also travel a lot. In fact, I’m traveling most of the year. What I like to do is when I arrive in an area, I want to acclimate to that area. So, I like to find the foods that are local to that area, I like to harvest the water from the springs that are local to that area and we had talked a few minutes ago about FindASpring.com which is website I put together to help people do that. I like to expose myself to the temperatures of the area because most of us live isolated from the weather. We live in a sort of climate controlled constant 70. And what’s interesting about wild people and wild animals who don’t suffer from any of the degenerative diseases is that they live in an environment where the temperature keeps changing. In the day it’s hotter, in the night it’s cooler. No matter where you go on the planet, days are warmer, nights are cooler. It’s a cycle. Where we live in our homes and in our hotels and in our cars, we keep the temperature almost always the same, makes our bodies very weak.
So there’s this amazing science emerging right now called epigenetics. And what it says is you can influence how your genome expresses itself. You can influence your genetic expression in your body. You can influence your body and physiology by food and environment. So, when we eat closer to wild foods, when we drink closer to wild water, when we go out in the soil, when we get barefoot on the ground, when we breathe the natural air from an environment, when we expose ourselves to the hot and cold of the environment, we actually become stronger at the genetic level. This wasn’t known until very recently, although it’s kind of obvious when you think about it.
So, yes, I agree with you we are moving all over the place. How much does it matter? But how fun is it to acclimate yourself to the earth instead of to the world because they’re different things. The world is sort of the artificial reality that we all are living in in our airports, in our hotels, in our homes, in our computers. And the Earth is reality. It’s actually what’s going on outside of there. So what I like to do is wherever I go, I like to try to get connected to the earth. And one way I can do that is with the foods that come from that area with the water that comes from that area, with the temperatures and the air that comes from that environment and I don’t think we need to do that exclusively but I think that we can all bring that in a little bit and I call that rewilding. And I think that we can become not just healthier than we are now, healthier than most people realize is possible. That’s why I do this.
Jason Hartman: Do you want to explain the difference? Because you’re talking about environments and exposing yourself to localities. I mean, hey, listen, I’m a big traveler and whenever I go somewhere I always drink the local beer. So, there’s my version of it just to get the local flavor, eat the local foods, but I’m doing it at a much more wordly level, not earthly level as you made that distinction. Do you want to talk about the difference between indigenous and ingenuous?
Daniel Vitalis: I’m not familiar with ingenuous.
Jason Hartman: I remember on a wildlife tour, now I can’t remember the difference but there is a difference because things can be in one place but I guess not be there originally in one place.
Daniel Vitalis: What indigenous means is occurring naturally in a place. And I like to use the word indigenous in reference to our planet. And here’s what I’m saying. I like to tell people, hey, you’re indigenous. Because we think indigenous are those people in loincloths off in the jungle, right? We think they’re not us, they’re the indigenous, we’re something else. Now, here’s what’s bizarre about that. You’re actually from Earth and everyone you know is from Earth and in other words we’re indigenous to the planet. Now, I want you to imagine that classic stereotypical picture of an indigenous person and then I want you to picture of the Apollo 13 astronauts. Now, picture those side by side and then ask yourself this. Does the average hiker or backpacker who’s going to go do 3 or 4 days in the wilderness look more like the indigenous person or the astronaut? And I think the obvious answer is they look a bit more like the astronaut. Big boots, GORE-TEX suit, huge pack, helmet.
Jason Hartman: Being insulated from the environment.
Daniel Vitalis: To the point where they actually begin to believe that their environment is hostile to them. So what’s happening is human beings are living today with this perception and one that’s being reinforced by media, one that’s being reinforced by the medical complex. We start to believe that we are in an environment that’s hostile to us. We must battle against the elements. We must fight nature and if we don’t we might succumb and actually be destroyed or killed by the elements. We might die from exposure to the elements. So, we go into nature much like an astronaut would go to a foreign planet. So, the average person going into nature, they see nature as a threat and this is the big difference between us and what we consider the indigenous people as they see nature as something they are woven into. And so I love this idea of using food, using water, using a acclimatization to begin to reweave ourselves into the environment. And to me that is the longest. It’s the most long term sustainable survival strategy is actually being comfortable and competent on a landscape rather than needing…
I watch these people prepare for emergencies. I watch people who are preppers, I watch the survivalists like they’re going to store 10 years of food up in their house. Let me tell you what happens if you eat that 10 years’ worth of food. You will get so sick, you would break down so completely from malnourishment. We can’t live like that. The army says you can only eat those MREs for 21 days. But people think they can just store up stuff and that’s their survival strategy. That’s not much of a strategy to me. The real thing is how do we incorporate ourselves back into a natural environment. Simple things we can do like growing a little bit of our food, learning what plants in our backyard might be edible or useful or medicinal to us, learning where there are natural water sources in your area that you can access, going outside more.
My favorite thing, I tell people if you want to have a good long term survival strategy, start camping. Just start camping. What better thing you could do for yourself, you go camping, you are exposing yourself to the natural elements, the natural weather. You’re getting outside, you’re in an environment and you’re getting to practice all of the skills that people want to have in order to feel competent that they can make it through any sort of scenario that they might be presented with. So, if I was going to give people the ultimate training strategy for survival situation, it’s like go camping. And the great thing about that is that is a rewilding process. When we go camping we’re actually rewilding ourselves to some degree.
Jason Hartman: It’s pretty simple. And then I guess the challenge would be camping time after time start using less protective things that insulate you from the environment and getting more and more in touch with nature. That is a great survival skill, no question about it.
Daniel Vitalis: Let me take a brief pause. We’ll be back in just a minute.
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Jason Hartman: You mentioned something when we just chatted for a few minutes off air, we were talking about degenerative diseases. And you were saying that in the animal kingdom, animals don’t suffer from degenerative diseases and I didn’t take issue with you but I want to now. I mean, certainly animals die, they get sick even if they’re living completely in the wild environment, right?
Daniel Vitalis: Well, okay. Let’s make sure we don’t confuse our dogs, our horses, our goats, our sheep.
Jason Hartman: No. They’re totally wild animals, not domesticated animals.
Daniel Vitalis: Totally wild animals. So, here’s the thing. Here where I am I like to watch the squirrels perform feats of acrobatics that exceed anything our Olympians can do, right? I watch squirrels and I never look and go oh that’s an old squirrel over there. I can tell. He can barely make it. In fact, I’ve never seen that. The other thing I never see is squirrels with crooked teeth. That’s one of those things that you just don’t see that.
Jason Hartman: I’m gonna take issue with you here because I don’t know of any squirrels that are 200 years old either.
Daniel Vitalis: No. Here’s the great thing. So, you’re bringing up a couple of points. I want to make sure we don’t confuse them. Degenerative disease refers to when the body is actually degenerating or it’s actually breaking down prematurely. This is different than old age. Of course animals succumb to old age and occasionally wild animals are succumbing to disease. But, for the most part, they’re able to live out their lives until their correct mature age and then they pass on. And when they pass on, they’re not hooked up to oxygen machines limping around, lying in hospital beds. They actually live out a quality of life right until the end that most of us don’t get to have anymore.
So, a lot of people today think that the degenerative diseases are happening now because we’re living longer. This is not actually true. So here’s what happens. We think that we’re living longer today because we’re able to keep children alive longer today and more children alive today and so they don’t get factored into the averages. So when you hear these things like our average lifespan used to be 35 years, that’s because they’re doing averages. And with averages, if you count the infant mortality rate, which used to be much higher, it brings the average age way, way down. Does that make sense? That’s not happening today. We’re keeping more children alive. It makes it look like we’re living longer. We’re not. The other thing is this is not about longevity, this is about degeneration.
Let’s go back actually. When we go all the way back in our fossil records, you know that we don’t find cavities. So, ancient man, you would think well he didn’t brush his teeth, didn’t have dentists, didn’t have braces.
Jason Hartman: He didn’t have Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups either.
Daniel Vitalis: Exactly, or white flour or white sugar, right? He was in the sunlight, he breathed fresh air, he drank fresh water, he ate local fresh foods that were ripely picked. So, he had no cavities. In fact, we don’t start to see cavities beginning until 10,000 years ago when we start farming in domestication. Not only did our teeth start to develop cavities when we started farming, but actually our skeletons shrunk, our brains got smaller. Let me say that again, our brains got smaller and we started to see arthritis. That was the first stages of degeneration that we saw in our fossil record. The degeneration started when we stopped eating wild foods and we started farming. Over the course of time as we’ve taken this to more and more extremes, it’s gotten worse and worse. Now, it’s very common to be born with teeth that don’t fit in the mouth anymore. We just ignore that or we just use orthodontic surgery to correct it. But it’s a symbol of our degeneration.
We have arthritis, we have cancer affecting 1 in 3, going on 1 out of 2. We have heart disease, unknown 100 years ago afflicting half the population. We have diabetes, we have obesity. These things are not seen in wild animals and they’re not seen in indigenous people. I’m not trying to say indigenous people had some kind of Disney style utopian life, but they didn’t get these diseases, they didn’t suffer from these things. And I think most people listening, if they really asked themselves, they’re concerned. People feel afraid. They don’t understand what cancer is. They’re afraid that they could get it. They don’t understand heart disease. They’re afraid that they could get it.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, and I’ve done shows more on the conspiratorial angle of this and these whole industries like the cancer industry, they talk about the military industrial complex, there’s the western medicine, make you sick so we can try to make you well complex. It seems like a scam in so many ways.
Daniel Vitalis: It’s a scam involving many, many different players, right? It’s a lot of players. The medical institution, I think it’s funny about the doctors today. Doctors take what we call the Hippocratic oath, right? So they take an oath to Hippocrates. Hippocrates’s most famous saying is “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”.
Jason Hartman: Yeah. And you go to a westernized doctor, all they’re gonna do is prescribe drugs to cover up symptoms. It’s never about nutrition. I’ve got to say something about this. And I have many doctor friends and I think doctors are great. If you’re bleeding, if you’ve got an energy, you need a doctor, a regular western doctor. But I don’t know how our society, how western culture ever confused doctors with health. I don’t know why you would ever ask a doctor about what you should eat. They don’t know anything about nutrition. I mean, it is mindboggling to me. And you can sense the complete frustration in my voice it is mindboggling to me that doctors ever became confused with health. They are a repair shop. They are not a health shop.
Daniel Vitalis: They study disease, their job is studying disease, they focus on symptoms. And let’s be honest, the most interesting thing to me is western medicine has never cured anything. There’s nothing they’ve actually cured. They treat certain things.
Jason Hartman: Let me ask you about that and I’ll give you time to talk about it. But I had another guest on my show who was a doctor who really hates western medicine now. He got out of that business. And he said that same thing. Okay, they didn’t cure it, but they vaccinated against polio. Malaria’s virtually gone from western culture. Many, many things have been I want to say cure, now maybe you need to define cured, but go ahead if you want to address that.
Daniel Vitalis: One of the amazing things that we learned to do…Let me go back. Human beings didn’t used to live the way they live now in these compact cities and urban environments. And when we think about the third world, we are so miseducated here in the United States that we think the third world conditions are the conditions that were there and we’re there to help. Those third world conditions were created by colonists. That’s not how those people used to live. So they didn’t live that way and they didn’t have a lot of those diseases that we see now like polio, like malaria, in the way that they exist today. Those exist because those people were pushed out of their traditional lifeway. They were pushed away from their traditional homes and areas for growing food or harvesting food. And they were pushed into conditions they weren’t adapted to and they got very sick. We saw this happen with the Native Americans when we arrived here, right? And most of the Native American people on the eastern seaboard died of European urban diseases. They had never known those.
Jason Hartman: They didn’t have the immunity for them.
Daniel Vitalis: Right. Today, these people have, in the 3rd world, a lot of these diseases. We like to say we cured them over here with vaccines, but if you do the research what you’ll find out is we cured them with plumbing. These diseases that were so rampant here were rampant…
Jason Hartman: And window screens.
Daniel Vitalis: We literally put our shit and piss in the street. People would walk by that. That’s that whole thing about where a man and a woman would walk on the sidewalk because he was trying to cover her from the emptying of the piss bucket into the street. We like to credit vaccines, but if you really do the research on vaccines, you see that there’s some serious complications associated with vaccines.
Jason Hartman: We have an autism debate.
Daniel Vitalis: And an ingredient debate. We know mercury is present in a lot of these vaccines. We know that the vaccines often cause the disease that they’re supposed to be curing. So, again, I believe that we see a lot of statistical manipulation. I see that we have people like Bill Gates really getting behind vaccination but he’s also very behind the idea of thought [00:32:24] control in a 3rd world, and it’s a very confused issue.
Jason Hartman: I saw the Ted speech with Bill Gates and everyone should watch that because what he says in there that he quickly kind of recovered from and tried to correct himself, it’s scary. I think it shows his true thoughts about these environmentalists. They just want to limit populations. Who gets to make those decisions? Hitler?
Daniel Vitalis: And where do they make them, right? Do they make them in Billstown or do they make them in Uganda? So, interestingly, I really don’t think vaccines are what did it. Those diseases all still exist today and those diseases have a lot more to do with how people live and the conditions that they’re living in, not the vaccine saving them, it’s that we live in a cleaner environment now.
In fact, interestingly, we live in such clean environments now that that’s actually causing sickness. And lots of research today is saying it’s called the hygiene hypothesis. There’s organisms in soil that when you touch soil, these bacteria get on your hand, they get in your mouth, they get in your lungs. When you drink water from a spring, you get these organisms into your body that actually cause you to produce serotonin which means you feel good when you interact with natural soil. When you stop interacting with natural soil and natural landscapes, you become deficient in these organisms and it leads to depression which we again tried to cure with addictive and dangerous pharmaceuticals. So, my point is, every departure away from nature seems to lead to more and more problems, but we mythologize our domestication, we tell a story that we’re getting healthier, we’re living longer, it’s getting better. And if I was going to sum up everything, it’s this.
How is it that we believe more in media than what we see with our own eyes outside of media. We believe in this story. It’s like this better living from chemistry. We believe the story like it’s all getting better. This technology is gonna take us into outer space and we’re gonna live like star trek and it’s gonna be utopia. But reality shows us economically things are breaking down, food systems breaking down, ecosystems breaking down. We’re seeing it getting worse and worse out there and we’re still believing that the ones who caused it are about to make it better any day now. It’s a kind of cognitive dissonance where we believe two opposing ideas in our head at the same time and media is so crafty with their sort of sorcery that they’re actually the ones winning out. We believe them over what we see with our eyes.
Jason Hartman: Yeah. Really amazing. I love how you say we’ve cured a lot of diseases with plumbing, and I would just add to that also with window screens and that’s the mosquito/malaria issue. So, yeah, amazing, amazing stuff. Where can people learn more? You did mention your website about springs, natural springs.
Daniel Vitalis: That’s FindASpring.com and that’s for anybody who’s interested in accessing water that comes clean and pure from aquifers form deep beneath the earth. They want pure water and they don’t want to buy it out of a bottle, you can go to springs. So go to that website, scroll around on the Google map until you find your area, click on that and find some springs where you can go visit. That site’s built by the user. You can also find me on DanielVitalis.com and I recommend you go to YouTube and look me up. I’ve got lots of free videos there. So you can see my work there and check out my company SurThrival.com. SurThrival is a premiere provider of regenerative foods, mostly wild foods from ecosystems that can help restore your testosterone levels, your progesterone levels, your immune system, to restore all of these functions that have been slipping away through the domestication process. So I’m always looking to rewild people through food and that’s what we do at SurThrival.
Jason Hartman: That’s fantastic. And I want to ask you one more question before you go. When you talked about the animals in the wild dying at their natural mature age rather than dying of degenerative diseases, with all this talk about longevity and mapping the genome and increasing lifespans and so forth for humans, what is that natural mature age for humans? Here’s why I ask this question. Number one, I’m incredibly fascinated by that whole area. But when you look at what you talked about, averaging and infant mortality and all of that stuff, and you look at people like Stratovarius and I don’t even remember the century, maybe the 1700s or something, living to be like 90 or 100 years old, certainly a long time ago. There were people that lived a long time. Everybody didn’t die at 30 or 40 in the olden days.
Daniel Vitalis: It’s still going on today.
Jason Hartman: Absolutely, very good point. And so it really begs the question what is that natural age? Should people live to be 120, maybe 150, I don’t know.
Daniel Vitalis: I love this question. First of all, people died young and people lived into old age in the past and they die young and live into old age today. There’s a lot of variation. It seems to me that you’re born sort of a genetic potential. This would be my best guess on this because we don’t really know the answer to this and there’s actually quite a bit of debate and confusion around this issue, but let’s say this. Imagine you’re born with a sort of potential that if you fed yourself right and lived correctly, you could live out to be, I don’t know, let’s say for some people it might be 80, some people it might be 120 – we don’t see much beyond that. So let’s say you’ve got this range of 80 to 120 and everything you do that damages you you take a little bit off of that. And you can recover from that damage to some degree but not all the way.
When we see people living into ripe old age, a couple of things are usually present. They usually live in a calm environment, not very stressful, where they eat very natural food that they grow themselves or they harvest themselves and they have good, strong genetics. It’s a combination of factors. If you have really, really bad genetics, it’s gonna be hard to beat that even with really great food. Probably the biggest thing detracting from us, though, is the stress. How many times do you see the story of the lady who lives to 108 and she drinks Vodka every day and eats a chocolate bar? We see these stories a lot. So it’s not just food. A lot of it has to do with having good routines, loving relationship, and a lack of stress. So that’s really critical.
But I want to just say that people lived into ripe old ages typically because they chose a wise lifestyle and some people burn themselves out really young. I don’t know of people living usually past 110, seems to be near the upper limit and occasionally people make it past there. We hear stories of people to 120. Much beyond that I would be fantasizing or mythologizing to say, oh yeah, we could live to 150 because I don’t have any evidence of that. But I have definitely evidence that we can live over 100.
However, I’d like to point this out as well. We don’t live in the clean pristine environment we once did. The Native American people living here on this content of North America were living in a pure environment, pure food, pure water, real sunlight, outdoors, they were always interacting with the environment and they’d live to ripe old ages. It would be hard for us to beat that in a really toxic lifestyle. So I think it’s really important that we try and minimize our toxin exposure, that we cleanse our bodies, that we do things like saunas to keep ourselves clean and clear, we drink fresh water, we eat good food because we’ve got a bit of a tougher environment to cope with. So if you’re wanting to have that kind of longevity, I recommend you look at practices to feed yourself really well and to keep yourself detoxified so that you can really live out to what your potential is.
Jason Hartman: Great advice. Well, hey Daniel, thank you so much for sharing this with us today and I want to look into some of the products you provide and just learn a lot more about it. Fascination conversation, thanks for joining us.
Daniel Vitalis: Thanks so much, Jason. Take care.
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