The book of Revelations has been interpreted as the end of times, with many variations on the “how,” “when,” and “who.” Because this book of the Bible is written in metaphors, it is impossible to determine the actual end of time as we know it, but it may be possible to connect the dots of the different prophesied events. Reverend Irvin Baxter believes that most of the events have already happened and that a catastrophic war in the very near future is eminent. Revelations predicts this war will begin at the Euphrates River, an area currently riddled with tension and of concern to the world. The countries along the river are Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq. Rev. Baxter shares his research and thoughts on historic and current political, economic and health world events and how they may relate to the prophecies of the Bible. He feels the next prophecy to be fulfilled will be a war that will kill one-third of mankind. For more details, visit: www.HolisticSurvival.com.
Irvin Baxter is the founder and president of Endtime Ministries. He is a television and radio host, author, publisher, and international prophecy teacher. Irvin felt God call him to start traveling as an evangelist at the age of 19. He began pastoring when he was 27, and continued for 33 years until he made the decision to devote all of his time to Endtime Ministries, which focuses on explaining world events from a biblical perspective.
Irvin authored A Message for the President in 1986. In the book, he identified for the first time the United States, Great Britain, Russia, and other modern nations in the Bible. He also stated that the Berlin Wall would be torn down; East and West Germany would be reunited; and that these events would be the catalyst that would propel the world into the New World Order. The Wall did come down in 1989, and we have continually heard about the New World Order ever since.
In 1998 Irvin Baxter launched a daily radio talk show called Politics and Religion. He regularly conducts prophecy conferences throughout the United States. In March 2006, IrvinBaxter launched the “No National ID” campaign to make people aware of the dangers of “The Real ID Act” which President Bush signed on May 11, 2005. This topic was discussed in detail in the May/June 2006 edition of Endtime magazine. As a result of these and other efforts, the full implementation of the “Real ID Act” has been postponed for the third time, until January 15, 2013. His website is http://www.endtime.com/.
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Start of Interview with Rev. Irvin Baxter
Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Reverend Irvin Baxter to the show. He is the founder of Endtime Ministries. And today we’re going to talk about two major prophecies. Reverend, welcome. How are you?
Rev. Irvin Baxter: I’m just fine. So nice to be on with you.
Jason Hartman: Well, the pleasure is all mine. And you’re coming to us today from Plano, Texas we should tell people. And tell us about these two major prophecies.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: There was a prophecy in the bible that a war is going to happen that will be so bad it’ll wipe out 1/3 of the world’s population. In order for people to fully appreciate that, we went 6000 years of human history without 1 war with 1 million fatalaties. Then you enter the 20th century. World War I, 8.2 million dead. First time we ever had a war with over 1 million. And everybody said, oh, that’s the great war. That’s World War I. That’s the war to end all wars. But it wasn’t.
They established the League of Nations trying to make sure it was the last war. That didn’t work, it fell apart. 20 years later, World War II. This time we didn’t have 8.2 million, this time we had 52 million. So we go 6000 years of human history and we hit the 20th century and supposedly the era of education and enlightenment and yet the only thing we’re really smarter at is killing people. So everything escalates. Well, add to that the prophecy from Revelation 9:13-21 which specifically states at the sounding of the 6 trumpets.
The Book of Revelations is divided up into three 7s. There are the 7 seas, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 vials. And each of these things are events. Well, the 6 trumpet sounds, when that happens, the bible says there are 4 angels bound in the great river Euphrates which we prepared for an hour a day, a month and a year to kill the third part of mankind. And, Jason, the first time I read that scripture and really focused on it, I thought a third part of mankind? Surely, that means a third part of the soldiers that will be in that war.
So I begin to look at all the different translations of the bible. And every one I read got worse because finally one of them read a third part of all the human beings on Earth. And I finally reached the conclusion that it meant exactly what it said, that there is a war coming that will kill 1 person out of 3 on this planet. Now, the reason this is so important to all of your listeners today is I think that the most likely time for that war is 2013. Now, I cannot promise that. I know for sure this war is coming, 1000% sure, because the prophecies always come to pass. But with all the conditions of the world right now, it just looks like we are there right now. The prophecy states that there are 4 angels bound in the great river Euphrates, and when those angels are loosed then they will kill 1/3 of mankind.
Well, in the bible, angels are spirits. And also in the bible there were times that each nation had an angel. For example, in Daniel, Daniel was praying one time and the angel finally showed up to talk to him and said I heard you the first time you prayed, but the Prince of Persia withstood me. Then he said “Now I identify with the Prince of Greece”. Well, the time of that experience, the immediate Persian Empire was ruling the world. Well, then later the Grecian Empire conquered the immediate Persian Empire, and so this is obvious that these angels symbolized nations or presided over nations or who presided over nations.
Well, then the bible says that there are 4 angels bound in the great river Euphrates. There are 4 nations that house the river Euphrates. It starts in Turkey, comes down through Syria, down through Iraq, then finally about the last 60 or 80 miles, the border between Iraq and Iran is [0:05:29.1].
Jason Hartman: But does that explain why 2013, though?
Rev. Irvin Baxter: No, it doesn’t.
Jason Hartman: Okay, yeah, I was curious about that. But go ahead.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Now let’s go there then. Why should I think it’s imminent now? Well, first of all, I believe I can prove scripturally that the first 5 trumpets have already sounded. Now, that’s a program within itself probably, but just to give you one quick idea. The third trumpet sounded in a star by the name of Wormwood fell into the earth. I began to get reports that the Russian word for Wormwood was Chernobyl. And you know that the Chernobyl nuclear accident happened…
Jason Hartman: 20 some odd years ago.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Yeah, 1986. When that happened, the nuke line was sent a mile into the air, the winds blew it over Europe, it rained incessantly for 5 days. It filled the waters of Europe with thee nuke line extension 137. About 125,000 died as a result of that. Doctors and scientists say that there are 2 million presently infected. So I came to believe that the nuclear explosion, the worst nuclear accident in the history of mankind, 10 times as much radiation was emanated from there, but it was produced by Nagasaki and Hiroshima in World War II. So, I came to the conclusion that all the pieces fit and that that was the sound of the third trumpet.
But then I went back and said, wait a minute, if that’s true, then the first and second trumpet must have sounded. So I went back to the second trumpet and it said there that when the second trumpet sounded, a third of the shifts that were in the sea were destroyed. I thought, wait a minute. That’s never happened. I must be off track. But one day I was thinking about World War II, and I said to my research assistant, Kathy, I said go to the library, see if you can find out how many ships participated in World War II and how many of them were sunk? Well, she came back about 3 days later and she walked into my office and she laid her research on my desk in front of me. And it said that there were 105,127 ships that participated in World War II and 36,000 some odd of them were sunk.
Jason Hartman: That is really an amazing number. I had no idea.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Yeah, and I looked at Kathy, and I said, Kathy, I didn’t ask you to cook the books. I just want to know the truth. She said “No, honest, the librarian helped me. This is the truth.” Well, I was stunned. It also states in that same prophecy, this is Relation 8 – about verse 8, 9 or 10 – it states in that prophecy that there was a mountain as it was burning with fire cast into the sea. And I thought what could that be?
Well, one day I saw a picture of a nuclear explosion and it looks like a huge mountain on fire, what a nuclear mushroom cloud looks like. And I thought the World War II, that’s when the first atomic explosion took place and that’s also when 1/3 of the ships were destroyed. And I thought oh my goodness, I believe the second trumpet was World War II. So then Chernobyl was World War III in 1986, and then when you get to the 5th trumpet, the key to the bottomless pit was given to an individual and they opened the bottomless pit and smoke came out of the pit. The sky and the sun were darkened by reason of smoke.
Well, in 1991 when Saddam Hussein was forced to withdraw from Kuwait, in anger he set 700 of the world’s richest oil wells on fire. And the sky and the sun were not seen in Kuwait for over 3 months. There’s a video out called The Fires of Kuwait. And when I saw the pictures in Time Magazine of Kuwait at noon day…
Jason Hartman: They’re amazing. I’ve seen those, yeah.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Well, what it says in that prophecy, that they had a king over them – this is verse 11 of Chapter 9 of Revelation – called the destroyer. In the King James version it says Abaddon or Apollyon. If you look both of those words up, it means the Destroyer. Well, I’m reading an article in the Jerusalem Post one day about Saddam Hussein and it was just a human interest story about his mother actually. And it said that she had a horrible pregnancy with Saddam, so she went to the Jewish sector of Baghdad to have the Jewish doctors nurse her through this pregnancy and so when Saddam Hussein was born, she named him Saddam because his name means Destroyer and he almost destroyed her with his pregnancy.
Well, the 2000 year old prophecy says the one who unleashes the smoke from the bottomless pit and causes the sun and the earth be darkened, that one will be called the Destroyer. Well, that was Saddam Hussein. I was wowed. Okay, well that leads up to the answer to your question. That was the fifth trumpet, 1991. Now, it’s time for the 6th trumpet. And where’s all the conflict raging in our world right now? From the Euphrates River. And the bible says the war will emanate from the Euphrates, but it obviously will become a world war ultimately because you’ve got 2.3 billion people killed. So that’s the reason I said that I think 2013 is the most likely time…
Within the last week, we’ve put patriot missiles, NATO put patriot missiles into Turkey, right on the northern border of Syria. But it wasn’t really NATO that did it. It really was America because we don’t let anyone else operate our patriot missiles. So it’s under the banner of NATO, but we have American troops on the ground in Turkey as of last Friday. Then Raisha, to counteract that, put his [00:11:20] missiles on the ground in Syria and Russia right now has 16 battleships off the coast of Syria in the Mediterranean Sea to make sure that the western powers don’t go in and try to remove their ally, Bashar al-Assad. And so we now have the greatest, most dangerous potential faceoff between Russia and the United States of America. And that’s going on in Syria right now.
Well, add to that that in Iran, Iran’s been working on this nuclear program, and Obama said to Netanyahu, if you will hold off until after the US elections, then I will do my best to solve this diplomatically with Iran but if it doesn’t work in the first half of 2013, we’ll decide what we have to do. There are many people who believe that the Iranian problem is going to have to be solved in 2013. So when you add the Syrian problem with the Iranian problem, both of them along the Euphrates river, that’s the reason I think that 2013 is the most likely year even though I know I can’t predict that with certainty.
Jason Hartman: Right, okay. And tell us about the other prophecy if you would.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: There’s a prophecy in the bible – I love this prophecy because it’s one with a date on it. It actually doesn’t have a specific date but it says when this thing happens, when this event takes place, it will begin the final 7 years to the battle of Armageddon. And this event is what is called the confirmation of the covenant.
The covenant, referred to in the Old Testament is the Abrahamic Covenant way back in Joseph 15:18, God said to Abraham “I’m making a covenant with you this day that the land on which you dwell will be yours and your descendants after you forever.” So that was God’s promise to Abraham that his descendants would live in the holy land and he actually gave him the dimensions in verse 18.
He said we’ll start with the River of Egypt in the south, go all the way to the Euphrates River in the north, speaking of the Mediterranean Sea, and then it gave the Eastern border all across the Jordan River into Jordan. So God outlined that this area was to be the nation of Israel forever.
Well, the biggest dispute in the world right now is whether Israel has a right to statehood. There are 22 Arab nations. Only 2 of them have signed a peace agreement with Israel and recognize Israel’s right to exist. The other 20 don’t even recognize Israel’s right to exist. The vote was taken on November 29th of last year, 2012, for the union to recognize a Palestine state within Pre-1967 borders. Well, the pre-1967 borders are Judea and Samaria. That’s a large chunk of the Promised Land. So the world government, the United Nations, just voted that God doesn’t know what he’s talking about, that when God made that covenant with Abraham that that’s not acceptable to the world community, that that’s supposed to go to the Palestinians. The word Palestine and Philistine was the same word.
So the Jewish people have been fighting with the Philistines ever since before David and Goliath 3000 years ago and they’re still doing that to this very day. Furthermore, the United Nations said that the Palestinian state should be recognized within pre-1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital. Well, when you talk about the city of Jerusalem, 37 times in the Old Testament God said I will put my name there. Well, Satan says if that’s where you want your name, guess where I want mine. So the wars over Jerusalem began. There have been 40 wars fought so far over the city of Jerusalem, more wars than have been fought over any other city in the entire earth.
So, the bible teaches the battle of Armageddon is going to be fought over Jerusalem. It teaches that the world government armies will come down against Jerusalem. Zechariah, chapter 14, verse 2 says “I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle” and the houses shall be rifled, the women shall be ravaged, and even half of the city will go into captivity. And the bible says when Israel is on the brink of defeat, it goes on in chapter 14 in Zechariah to say “Then shall the Lord go forth” as when he did in the days of battle in the Old Testament, he will fight for the Jewish people and he will come to the Mount of Olives. And when he comes down to the Mount of Olives, that’s when he will go forth and fight against the world government on these that have invaded Israel. He will put down human governments and replace human governments with the own government. And that’s the beginning of the kingdom of God which is the theme of the entire bible.
So that’s a real quick overview. It’s when the peace agreement was signed, there’s gonna be a peace agreement supposedly settling these issues, it will make the pre-1967 borders, the border of Palestine, it will place the [00:16:45] under a [0:16:47.2] arrangement between Muslim and Jew with world government oversight. And Jews will actually build a temple there beside the dome of the rock. When that event happens, that marks the beginning of the final 7 years to Armageddon.
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Jason Hartman: And so why is it…I mean, I know it’s talked about. I’m just making a broad statement here, a broad question. Why is it that most Christian leaders aren’t talking much about the end times, about these prophecies? I mean, I certainly don’t hear it from Joel Osteen, for example, or Billy Graham’s camp. I don’t hear it much. You hear about it a little bit, but it’s not in the mainstream of Christian thought.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Well, it’s because they don’t understand the prophecies. Prophecy is sort of a field of you either get on that horse or you stay off of it. If you just sort of dabble in it and yet you don’t really understand it, you can say this is gonna happen, that’s gonna happen, and if you say something’s gonna happen and it doesn’t happen, then immediately you lose your credibility.
I began, I found the United States and the bible back in what was 1965-66. All of the prophecy books out there said the US is not in the bible. I found what I believe is absolutely proof the US is in the bible. That became the first chapter of my first book.
I also found where the Berlin Wall was going to be torn down, the two Germanys would be reunited, and that would be the event that would trigger the new world order, the one world government at the end time.
So I begin to teach that in 1968. And when I published a book in 1986 stating this in my book, well in 1989 the Berlin Wall did come down, the two Germanys were reunited, and within 20 days of the fall of the Berlin Wall, Mikhail Gorbachev, President George Bush, Sr., and Pope John Paul II met together within 20 days of the fall of the Berlin Wall and announced the birth of the New World Order. I was stunned. I mean, I believed it. I had been teaching it for 20 years, but for it to happen within 20 days of the fall of the wall, I was stunned. More recently, Tony Blair speaking at Tübingen University in Germany in the year 2000 said “You do know that globalization began right here in Germany with the fall of the Berlin Wall.” Well, the word globalization simply means moving from a nation state structure of our world to a global governing structure of our world.
Jason Hartman: With the fall of the Berlin Wall? I mean, people who are anti-globalists, like myself, would think that the Berlin Wall was great news. It’s freedom, openness. Reagan really pushed that forward and expedited the fall of it. I’ve been to Berlin a couple of times and I don’t see how that’s tied in with globalism.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: So what’s the deception here? The deception is that the west won the Cold War and that the socialists lost. The headlines on Newsweek Magazine that next week who had “socialism is dead”, but within 9 years of the fall of the wall, 13 of the 15 member of the European union had voted in socialist governments of their own free will. And now America is going socialist. So did we win or did we lose? Why did Gorbachev allow the fall of the Berlin Wall, clapped while it was happening, and yet read his book and he said “Anyone who believes that perestroika is the fall of socialism, the death of socialism,” he said “I promise you that’s the furthest thing from the truth”.
The truth is while we were winning the arms race, the socialists were winning the ideological war. They infiltrated the colleges of America and the world and now most people graduating from our universities today have been schooled to believe that socialism is really the way to go, only they call it social justice. But that’s really socialism is taking away from those who have, it’s share the wealth, and that’s what we’re experiencing right now.
Jason Hartman: Yeah. I mean our colleges and universities are leftist indoctrination camps. It’s just ridiculous.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: So the bottom line is socialism won, not free enterprise. Right now we are experiencing less free enterprise and more governmental control. Who would ever think that the government would own General Motors? So, to answer your question, when the Berlin Wall fell, that was the end of the Cold War and the beginning of globalism. And people began to talk about global government.
You begin to hear words like international community, rural community. And today, if you disagree with the world community, you’re considered a pariah nation. The world community said that Muammar Gaddafi had to do certin things, they didn’t. So what they do? They go into United Nations, they get a resolution, and then they went down and big war agasint Gadafi using NATO as the world government army now. And then they brought him down and replaced that government with a government more to their liking. That’s what’s happening all over the world right now.
Jason Hartman: Very interesting, very interesting stuff. I know the obvious answer to this question…Well, really I’ve got a two-fold question. Number one is is there any way the prophecies can be averted?
Rev. Irvin Baxter: The answer to that is no. The prophecies are going to happen because things don’t happen because they’re prophesied. They’re prophesied because they happened. They’re written by God who already knows the end from the beginning.
So He set everything in motion on the basis of just principles. Everyone who’s getting free choice, I set before you good and evil, life and death, therefore choose life, but you have the liberty to choose death. And so, consequentially, he set this all in motion. Then you go to the end and you look back down through time, you see what happened, and he then recorded that as bible prophecy. So the prophecies will always happen because they’ve already happened in the fore-knowledge of almighty God since God can live both in the beginning and the end and the middle at the same time. Now, that’s hard for us to comprehend as human beings, but God does not dwell in time. He dwells in eternity.
Jason Hartman: And then the second question, and I know the religious answer to this question, and you’re welcome to touch on that, but I just want to ask the natural question that my listeners would ask, is there anything one can do to prepare?
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Yes, absolutely. The first thing to do to prepare is to make sure you have eternal life because we are going to see a world that’s gonna wipe out 1/3 of us soon, whether it’s this year, next year, or the next year. I don’t see how it can go on much longer than that. So it’s going to happen, but if you have eternal life, to live is Christ but to die is gain. And Jesus Christ has taught us that if a person is not born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. And that’s the reason why on my website one of my prominent questions right in the middle of my website is what do you mean born again?
There are so many people that throw that term around but they have no comprehension of what it really means. And so I took the time to write, to the best of my ability, a brochure on laymen’s level that explains step by step of what it really means to be born again. So that’s the first thing we can do.
And, by the way, Jason, the prophecies are given to us. So we can prepare. The bible says in the Old Testament that the Sons of Issachar were men who had understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do. Once we know what is coming, then we can align ourselves. For example, I’m starting a prophecy college in Jerusalem during 2013 because I know some events that are coming to Israel and they’re going to need to know some things. I believe I can be there to be a blessings and a help to them. And because they gave us our bible, they gave us our Messiah, I love the Jewish people and I believe I would be able to help them to do the right thing and to be saved.
So, the first thing we can do is be spiritually ready. The second thing we can do is to be prepared. We’re getting ready to place on our website soon what to do in case this war happens – it kills 1/3 of mankind. If you happen to be somewhere where there’s a nuclear explosion, what do you do? Well, if you stay indoor for 48 hours, 98% of all radioactivity will dissipate from the atmosphere in 48 hours. Well, most people don’t even know that. So we can tell them, look, have a safe room. You don’t have to spend $500,000, but have a place with enough water. You can survive without food for a long time, but you’ve got to have water. So we’re getting ready to list on our website a few common sense things that they can do to prepare spiritually first, that’s the most important by far. Secondly, though, to prepare physically so they can survive plus be here to help others who survived to make some order out of the chaos that’s coming.
Jason Hartman: Well, good stuff. Give out your website if you would and tell people where they can learn more.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Our website is Endtime.com. It has a lot of things there. Plus I have a daily radio program and you can listen to it over Endtime.com. Simply go to Endtime.com/radio. We’re on every day there and the programs are also archived. And then you also can call us. The number to call is 1-800-END-TIME, so that’s 1-800-363-8463. So if you can remember the word “Endtime”, you can pretty well get us whether it’s 800-END-TIME or Endtime.com.
Jason Hartman: Well, Reverend Baxter, thank you so much for joining us today. I appreciate it.
Rev. Irvin Baxter: Well, thank you. It was a joy, Jason. And thank you for having me on.
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