Join Jason Hartman and Jonathan Zap, researcher and philosopher, as they explore the psychology behind apocalyptic prophecies. Prophecies of the end times abound all over the world and have for decades upon decades. Search “end times” on the internet and you will find a host of books, websites, blogs, and articles on the subject. You will also find a plethora of speculations as to how it will come about. Where do all of these prophecies originate? In ancient texts? In dreams? Perhaps in the collective of human unconsciousness. Jonathan Zap calls this latter concept the Singularity Archetype, archetypes that help explain death and rebirth, changes that take place in people’s lives, and their motivations. Listen for a deeper understanding of Jonathan’s research at www.HolisticSurvival.com.
Jonathan Zap grew up in the Bronx, attended the Bronx High School of Science, and graduated from Ursinus College with honors in Philosophy and English, and earned his Masters degree in English from NYU. Jonathan wears many hats. He is a photographer, author, teacher, paranormal researcher, and philosopher. He has written extensively on psychology and contemporary mythology, and he has worked as a staff gemologist and instructor for the Gemological Institute of America. He has also taught high school and college English courses and worked as the Dean of a South Bronx High School, helping troubled youth. He has led inner city kids and other youth on wilderness expeditions to remote desert canyons and to the summit of Mount Ranier. Jonathan has published numerous articles, many of which have been published by Reality Sandwich, essays, and experimental works of fiction and the Zap Oracle. He has also done numerous radio and television shows, including appearances on Coast to Coast AM. He has an extensive background in Jungian psychology, paranormal research, and dream interpretation. He uses the tools of Jungian psychology to study popular culture, contemporary mythology, and dreams.
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Start of Interview with Jonathan Zap
Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Jonathan Zap to the show. Today we are going to be talking about all kinds of interesting things and I think you’ll be interested. Jonathan, welcome. How are you?
Jonathan Zap: Very good.
Jason Hartman: Good. Tell us about your book and about what you are working on nowadays.
Jonathan Zap: Okay. Well, the book is called Crossing the Event Horizon: The Singularity Archetype and Human Metamorphosis. And the website, where you can get a free PDF or podcast of the first part of the book is ZapOracle.com. And that’s where you can find out everything that I’m up to.
Jason Hartman: Well, I could ask you what a lot of those things mean in the title of your book, but first of all, let’s start simple. What is an event horizon?
Jonathan Zap: Well, an event horizon is a transition where core things change so that reality as we once experienced is fundamentally different. So, for example, on the scale of an individual day, an event horizon is crossed when we entered the dream time because once we enter the dream time there’s a different physics going on, gravity no longer pertains the way it did during the waking life, age is irrelevant. We may no longer be in the sort of body that we had. So we are actually crossing an event horizon on a daily basis.
Jason Hartman: Okay, good way to say it. So tell us about archetypes, and more specifically the singularity archetype.
Jonathan Zap: The singularity archetype is something I’ve started writing about stuff or a philosophy honors paper when I was an undergraduate in 1978. And all archetypes are primordial images and you’ll refer to them. They are sort of structures deep in the psyche that can be found in any culture and jury, like an example is the hero cycle. Many of your listeners have no doubt heard of the famous titled Joseph Campbell book Hero With a Thousand Faces, and of course that’s numerically modest. There are so many versions of it. And even walking down the street, you would encounter people who are going through different parts of the hero cycle like the call to adventure, the refusal, the dissent into darkness, the vision question and so forth. We find these things in any culture, in any period no matter how separated they are because they’re just classic attributes of the human psyche. So the singularity archetype builds on some even more fundamental archetypes of death and rebirth of apocalypse. And it adds some new information basically or some new aspects in an image of an event horizon that has sort of two parallel event horizons. One is that of the species reaching a quantum evolutionary change and the other is personal death. And there is a parallelism between the two. For example, in the movie 2001 by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clark.
Jason Hartman: Huge fan of Stanley Kubrick over here by the way.
Jonathan Zap: Oh yeah, me too – what a genius.
Jason Hartman: It’s too bad he’s not around because I would love to see him making movies still. I mean his stuff is just so ahead of his time, just unbelievable – very creative, awesome cinematography, just so interesting.
Jonathan Zap: And so little in the way a film reaches that level – maybe some David Lynch films or some others – but in any case, there couldn’t be a more powerful vision of crossing the event horizon in an evolutionary sense than 2001. What’s also amazing, though, about that book and the movie which came out in 1968 and 1969, they were created together, is that there are descriptions in it that completely parallel descriptions of near death experiences and even though the book was written 6 or 7 years before Life After Life, Raymond Moody’s 1975 classic that coined the term near death experience and life review. In the movie – it’s clearer in the book – David Bowman, the protagonist, goes through a tunnel, an inter-dimensional tunnel that the description of which is nearly identical of that of descriptions of people passing through the tunnel of lights the way they often describe, going at the speed of light when they have a near death experience. He has out of body experiences where he sees himself from remote points of view. He goes through a life review that’s described in identical terms to those in the near death experience.
So this archetype is kind of like a beacon that is governing our encounter with certain key event horizons which will usually be in the form of death or it could be a transcendent meditative experience. Sometimes it’ll come in the form of dreams. But also, because there’s sort of a parallel between the individual and the species, it’s kind of like a fractal where the small part recapitulates the whole. So the individual life is a microcosm of the macrocosm of the life of the species which inevitably reaches an end time or a time when there’s a radical evolutionary departure. The average life span of a million species is a million years. So it has this parallelism between the individual lifespan and the lifespan of the species. And it gives us information about what it would be like to cross that event horizon.
Jason Hartman: Interesting. There are about as many interpretations of that initial scene in 2001 as there are people who have watched it. Tell us about that scene and what it means with the apes and the monolith. Most people listening have seen the movie but they probably saw it a long, long time ago.
Jonathan Zap: Right, exactly. It’s worth re-watching. It’s out on Blu-Ray now and I’d love to talk about it. We begin with the missing link Hominids, and really they’re closer to apes than humans. And I’m kind of going to merge the novel and the movie to have the maximum amount of story to talk about because they haven’t even discovered tool use. And then what happens is they cross an event horizon. A singularity appears in their world, the famous black monolith, which will be learned is an extra-terrestrial object and artifact that’s also described as a crystal. And really this monolith is exactly like an archetype, because like an archetype it has intelligence and intentionality. It isn’t just an object you look at. It’s also a subject that looks at those who are looking at it and it magnetically draws these missing links towards it. It shows the visions and create patterns according to Clarke that will be inherited just like an archetype would do. And then through whatever technological magic, it alters them and enhances them and creates a quantum evolutionary event. And the way we see it happen, they don’t look any different, but suddenly they discover that these large bones lying around are tools and that they can use them to bludgeon these pig-like animals and eat better quality protein than has been available before. And then when they have another skirmish with the competing tribe of hominids that look just like they do and they’ve had other skirmishes with, now that they’ve developed this weapons technology, they’re able to defeat them. And then we see the alpha of this group in a triumphant gesture take his bone club and toss it up into the air and the camera follows the bone in its upward arch. And then in 24th of a second it splices out 50,000 years of evolution and this bone becomes a bone-white spacecraft orbiting the earth. And what isn’t quite clear in the movie, for reasons I’ll mention, is that that’s actually supposed to be a nuclear doomsday satellite. And because Kubrick’s previous movie, Dr. Strangelove had been about nuclear doomsday it would thought to be over the top if there were another scenario. But it was really meant to show us what had evolved and what hadn’t that we had this amazing technological progress in those 50,000 years but we were still territorial aggressors and we were still primates and that may be why the protagonist’s name is Bowman. It still suggests the primitive weapon-wielding primate.
Jason Hartman: Some people – and you didn’t say it this way but I want to ask you – it’s interesting – Kubrick was very into the nukes with his other movies, Failsafe and I can’t even remember the titles of the other ones.
Jonathan Zap: Failsafe was actually somebody else’s but it was very parallel. It came out at the same time as Dr. Strangelove.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, and then there’s another one called something about the bomb, I can’t remember what it was.
Jonathan Zap: Yeah, that’s the subtitle of Dr. Strangelove, How I Learned to like…stop something and love the bomb or something.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, okay. But on that scene, is Kubrick representing or is that event horizon representing the mating? Many people theorize that humans got their complex brains from aliens by mating with them and before that it was all just the organs in the body, kidneys and the liver, their simple filters, the lungs are basically pumps, the heart’s a pump. But the brain is the one thing within us that is just completely out of context with the rest of our tools, our genetic makeup. Is that the event horizon Kubrick is trying to say in the movie or no?
Jonathan Zap: Yeah, I mean basically from the point of view of the movie. I mean the hominids don’t look any different – presumably their liver and kidneys haven’t changed.
Jason Hartman: They just get smarter.
Jonathan Zap: Yeah. So on the organ level, the brain would change. Now, I’m not a neurological materialist. I don’t think that consciousness is reducible to a brain. I think that position has been absolutely defeated by some of the findings of near death experience research and some other fields. But this idea that there are these discontinuities in evolution that we can’t quite account for, there is a huge gap between us and even chimpanzees, even as close to us genetically as they are and so I think it’s okay to speculate after all. I think it was Crick and Watson who came up with the theory of panspermia where they suggested that the only origin they could think of for DNA, because it didn’t work until it reached such a high level of complexity, was that it had an extra-terrestrial origin. So that’s right from the Nobel laureate discoverers of DNA. And it’s hard to tell on what level of reality it’s happening, but the most consistent motif or storyline in induction experiences is about hybrids and where people have these experiences and where they see alien/human hybrids and where there is mating between the aliens and humans. I’m not sure what level of reality to take that on, but on some level we are hybridizing with the future. And part of that is hybridizing with technology.
Jason Hartman: And we’re certainly doing that. I mean there are all kinds of things coming down the pike and who knows what’s here already in secret, but in terms of implanting chips in the human body and I was just at the vet with my dog and he’s got a chip implanted in him just to identify him, but they can do a lot more than that.
Jonathan Zap: Absolutely.
Jason Hartman: And make us think better, and that’s really what bionics are all about, the $6 million dollar man from the old days.
Jonathan Zap: Right, exactly. I mean even if we don’t have a pacemaker, we all really are bionic. I mean I’m not the same person that I would have been if the internet had not been invented. I mean there is no sharp boundary between where a human being begins and technology begins. And I think it’s like what Sophocles said – no great gift enters the human spear without an equally diabolical price. So this is sort of what we should expect is that the technology would be the greatest thing in the world, the worst thing in the world. When novelty intensifies, the outer edge of light and dark will both intensify. So this is definitely, if we wanted to see where evolution is really exploding, the human form doesn’t look that much different from 500 years ago. A man from the Renaissance doesn’t seem less intelligent than a man of today, but technology has made us so much more intelligent. A kid in Africa with a cell phone has access to more information than Bill Clinton did in his first term in office. That’s a huge change.
Jason Hartman: Right, right. I want to get back and circle back on the subject of archetypes and Joseph Campbell and all of that. But just so that the listeners kind of know where we’re going, what are your thoughts about the future? There are all these prophecies about the Mayan calendar out and there’s a lot of doom and gloom in the news nowadays. It’s a pretty scary time in a lot of ways, especially from an economic perspective. The world’s only superpower is broke. The United States is completely bankrupt in every logical sense of it, but it’s overdrawn or I should say maybe insolvent to some extent. There’s a lot of fear out there. What is your vision of the future?
Jonathan Zap: I take it from two different points of view. From the point of view of standing on Earth, yeah, I mean it is a scary time. I think human existence has mostly been scary. There’s always a lot at stake, there’s always chaos. Certainly, we have reasons to be concerned – we have all kinds of new game over scenarios that can happen with nuclear proliferation and out of control technologies. The economy is creating a lot of misery and suffering. But I remember when 9/11 happened – and I’m from New York, and I remember calling my parents who still live in the Bronx and they weren’t that freaked out. These people lived through World War II, through The Great Depression. So if we just go back in time enough, the civil war, we have had many white knuckle moments throughout…
Jason Hartman: We sure have, yeah. Cuban missile crisis, here much more recently than that. And that’s definitely true because when you look at it from a much broader perspective than thinking, oh gee, things were so much better 5 years ago than they are today, you really see that hardship has been the history of the human race. There have been a lot of difficult times. It’s kind of like that black swan idea is that we’re just at one small little point in history now and certainly things are better now than they were during The Great Depression. I mean people look at it on such a small perspective, and so when you back up and look at the big picture, things are really pretty good in a lot of ways, aren’t they?
Jonathan Zap: Well, exactly. I mean we probably have the lowest per capita war death rate that we’ve had in thousands of years. If you read the headlines or look at the news, it looks like the world is being torn apart by war, but actually the casualties are relatively small with a 6 and a half billion population. And there’s an anthropologist on Ted.com that just did a lecture showing that the chances of being killed in a war for an indigenous rainforest tribe are way higher than they were for western civilization, even during the 20th century. So we get this skewed impression. Now, I’m 53, I’m a baby boomer. I think that like the early 60s for example, that was a real anomaly in that it was a time of incredible optimism where it seemed like anything was possible. I remember going to like the 1963 World’s Fair in Flushing, Queens and seeing the General Motors Futurama. So some of us who date back to those years or even maybe during the 90s when Clinton was president and were starting to have the dot com explosion before that bubble burst. We can remember these times of incredible optimism, especially as Americans and where it seemed like there was nothing limiting our growth horizon. So I think it’s the contrast of that that makes our present problems look so bad.
Jason Hartman: Yeah. Very good point, very good point. So what is your vision of the future though? Maybe talk to us a little bit about 2012. We’ve never done a show on that. And it was something when I launched this show a few years back that we had planned to have a guest on. You addressed that, right?
Jonathan Zap: Absolutely. I have a document on my website called Carnival 2012, a psychological study of the 2012 phenomenon and the 22 pitfalls and blind spots of esoteric research. And a lot of my work is based on my close friend and colleague John Major Jenkins who I think has written the definitive books on the subject, The 2012 story most recently and then more technical but really getting into the astronomical insights, Maya Comsogenesis 2012 and galactic alignment. And basically, just a few doses of sanity because there’s so much misinformation: Number one, the Mayan calendar does not end in 2012. Like all calendars, it’s perpetual. It just rolls over into a new cycle. It’s a very long cycle. And this is the long count calendar. The Maya had several calendars that we’re talking about – that’s the one that has this big rollover moment in 2012. Number two, no Mayan prophecy about 2012. We have not found a single specific reference to 2012 other than Tortuguero Monument 6 which it does not really contain a prophecy. It’s more like it suggests that what the Mayan felt about cycle changes in general, which we can find in a surviving document from a few hundred years ago the people knew that basically there’d be a ton of renewal where a new cycle begins. And so there’s absolutely nothing specific that the Mayans ever said about it and there’s nothing in their philosophy of cycle endings to suggest anything apocalyptic. I’ve written a lot about and thought a lot about the psychology of apocalypticism and where that comes from and this is the latest iteration of that.
Jason Hartman: And what do you mean by logos beheld? You have a lot of interesting phrases and terms, homo gestalt. Tell us about some of these things if you would.
Jonathan Zap: Okay, sure. Logos beheld, that’s actually a phrase I got…
Jason Hartman: That’s a Freudian reference I assume, right?
Jonathan Zap: No. It’s actually from Terence McKenna and he actually got it from Philo Judaeus who was a Jewish philosopher, was a contemporary of Christ who said that we would really have hit the omega point, more or less, when the logos, the voice of God, would be held instead of heard. So this is a lot of application for what’s going on in the lives of the listeners right now even though it sounds pretty arcane in that there is an explosion of visual technologies and our brains are being massively rewired. If there was ever a monolith that appeared and Jay Wagner wrote about 2001 and I believe he pointed out, I don’t know if it’s true, that the dimensions of the monolith are like the dimensions of the cinescope screen and so really the monolith that’s in front of us right now I believe are the visual technologies and the computer technologies that are causing a profound shift in the hemispheric dominance of our brains from the left to the right. And no other mammal has as much hemispheric lateralization it’s called as we do where there’s as much difference between the left and right as there is with us. According to some theories, Leonard Shlain wrote a book about this called The Alphabet Versus the Goddess, the whole dissent into the nightmare of history – it’s like an evangelist James Joyce character said “History is the nightmare from which I’m trying to awaken. Well, the nightmarish aspect of history seems to have begun about 6000 years ago with the preponderance and what are called dominator societies versus partnership societies that existed up to the time of like ancient Crete apparently. And it seems to coincide with the adoption of written alphabets. Once you have written alphabets, the left hemisphere starts to predominate and now like documents become the ruling things. In the beginning was the work – it could be the bible, it could be communist manifesto, the rule of law. But an anti-image thing took over. The second of the 10 commandments is about not having images. It’s popularly interpreted as not having idol worship, but it says right in the Torah not an image of a fish swimming in the ocean or a bird in the sky. So all of this is profoundly changing, even during our individual lifespans right now. I mean
I grew up with like black and white television and that kind of thing. I mean when my dad was born in New York City, there weren’t even radio stations. Now I’m surrounded by video screens. Even when I’m interacting with text, there are like icons and a mouse which is more bi-hemispheric. So right now we are moving towards a more visual means of communication. And some of the material from the singularity archetype, the dreams that people have about it, the visions they have about it, involve this visual means of communication that I call logos beheld. And this is also sort of a telepathic network. And at least on a technological level, that’s happening right now with the internet.
Jason Hartman: Tell us more about that – of the telepathic network of the internet. I mean, is that a simple saying people can exchange ideas or is there more to it?
Jonathan Zap: I think there is more to it. And this would even correspond a little bit to what the Mayans suggest about cycle changes that there could be a time of renewal, there would be an enlightenment. And this is in fact happening and the internet is the biggest example of it. During the 1990s, I read somewhere that the value of the industrial production of the US tripled, but its physical weight halved because we’re making less pig iron and hard commodities and more intellectual property in the form of zeroes and ones, so it’s literally getting lighter and it’s more about light. It’s more about the visual. So, for example, the iconic object at the early industrial age, the iron locomotive, it’s a one use object. But now, what’s the iconic object of today? The pixelated video screen. And now, whatever I think of, whatever bizarre fantasy might go through my mind, sexual or otherwise, I can just type into Google and now, immediately, appearing on the screen right in front of me like a shapeshifter are images and words and all kinds of stuff – people blogging about whatever it is, there’s nothing so bizarre I can’t think of or no kinky fetish I can’t think of sexually that I won’t find it appearing right in front of me.
Jason Hartman: Right. That’s an amazing shift in just the way everybody interacts with the world with everything in their life with their life with their own psyche. It’s scary in some ways.
Jonathan Zap: Well, it’s scary, but in a good way that metamorphosis is scary. But even right now, even though there’s podcasts, basically this is a form of technological telepathy. We basically have two audio avatars that are being heard through earphones or speakers, remote in time because no one’s listening to us in real time since this is pre-recorded, but we are creating a telepathic artifact that will maybe play in other people’s minds in the future. We just take that for granted these days, but think about how intense that is.
Jason Hartman: Yeah, it is. It’s pretty amazing – no question about it. So what does this mean to us? You sound actually pretty optimistic about the future?
Jonathan Zap: Well, I am optimistic about the future, but with this caveat that anytime of transformation, it’s like the Chinese curse about living in interesting times, well I think that’s the curse aspect of that in that they’re chaotic, you don’t feel like you have solid ground under your feet, but the other side that the Chinese don’t emphasize enough is that it is very interesting. This really is a golden age. I mean certainly it’s the golden age of information as a writer to be able to instantly publish my ideas and get feedback from them the same day, to be able to, for free, reach 24 hours a day people anywhere on the planet. That is unprecedented. That is a golden age.
Jason Hartman: It’s totally unprecedented. And it’s not just in the sphere of internet and blogging. But I remember, when I published my first book 11 years ago and I went and I listed it myself on Amazon.com and in 7 minutes my book had global distribution, whereas before, the powers that be, the publishing companies, the various media outlets, they decided who got distribution. And that has really democratized the field of information, hasn’t it?
Jonathan Zap: Yeah, I mean this is the greatest democratization of power ever experience by human beings. So part of the answer is half of it is that reality is maybe better than it looks. My friend Rob Brezsney has written a wonderful book about this: Pronoia is the Oppose of Paranoia, how the universe is conspiring to shower you in blessings and gets into some of the…
Jason Hartman: What was that word? Pronoia?
Jonathan Zap: Yeah, he’d be a good person to interview too. He’s a great talker as well. Pronoia is the Opposite of Paranoia. His book is widely available. And there is that side to it. The other thing that needs to be said is that during the time of transformation, transformation and metamorphosis requires shocks. They require that the equilibrium be punctuated because living systems tends with a stagnant equilibrium – well it can be stagnant when we talk about the human psyche called homeostasis – they’re conservative. They try and dial in an equilibrium and stay there. And that’s good for your body, it’s good for your dog or cat. They would prefer to have the bowl in the same place every day and be fed the same time every day. It’s good for your body. It’d be good to have a completely consistent diet and bed time. But it’s not good for the human psyche. The human psyche is different. We have an equilibrium like that, we call it stagnation because we need constant growth. Like the Dylan lyric “He who’s not busy being born is busy dying.” But birth is a traumatic process and some healthy tissue gets destroyed, equilibria gets disrupted. We need shocks, there may be havoc. From the point of view of the earthbound ego, and that’s part of the message of the singularity archetype, the change may look apocalyptic and like Armageddon but seen from above, from a higher vantage, it looks like a transcendent evolutionary event.
Jason Hartman: It reminds me of a great quote by someone who I’m sure you’ve read and that’s Richard Bach where he talks about how what the caterpillar calls the end of the world everyone else calls a butterfly.
Jonathan Zap: Exactly. And there’s a document on my website called Metamorphosis – it’s also one of my whirlpool cards – another resource in my website is a 600 card oracle people can interact with for free. I worked on it for 30 years. One of the cards is called metamorphosis and one of the things that’s pointed out is that when a caterpillar is going through a metamorphosis, cells are created called imaginal cells, which I think is an amazing term, and when they first appear the caterpillar’s immune system attacks them like antibodies and it senses them as a threat. Eventually enough imaginal cells are created and they vibrate to a different frequency and they start to network together and then they start to take over. So from the caterpillar’s point of view is death, and is an unthinkable transformation that is seen as catastrophic biologically, this is also the birth of the butterfly. So this is something about metamorphosis. Metamorphosis only happens when one form has to die for another one to be born.
Jason Hartman: Okay. Before we conclude here, I want to see if maybe you can give the listeners a couple of action steps. And from everything you said, Jonathan, it sounds like one of them might be a gained perspective – that’s the first thing. Game some perspective on the times in which we live and the future we’re likely to encounter and just understand that bad things that seem bad at the time can turn out to be obviously good, right?
Jonathan Zap: Absolutely. This is self-serving, but if you read my book you’ll see my thorough discussion of the psychology of apocalypticism and where it really comes from to help the viewer, the reader not fall into its clutches and to point out when other people are starting to become apocalypticism pornographers which is really what we see so much of culturally. And there are other suggestions like exercise your visual imagination. If you want to get ahead of the curve in terms of the change that’s going along, explore things like virtual reality. Explore things like organic virtual reality where say, for example, this is actually an ancient technique. You sit with your eyes closed and you start to create a house and an estate, a walled estate in your mind. And this is something you can do over years and build it and make it consistent and you have an infinite budget. Look at pictures of great castles and borrow things from wherever you see them that look healthy – by doing that, by strengthening your visual imagination, you are moving with the curve of evolutionary change.
Jason Hartman: Very, very good advice. Jonathan, give out your website again if you would. I mean you’ve mentioned several tools and free PDFs and so forth that people can take advantage from your site and give that out to listeners once again if you would.
Jonathan Zap: Okay. It’s just ZapOracle.com.
Jason Hartman: Excellent. And, Jonathan, anything else you’d like to say just in closing?
Jonathan Zap: I would just say keep looking toward the event horizon and don’t look at it with dismay, whether it comes for you collectively, for us collectively or not. We’re all heading towards an event horizon today when we go to sleep and when we pass through this lifetime into the light beyond.
Jason Hartman: Excellent. Well, Jonathan Zap, thanks so much for joining us today. Appreciate having you on the show.
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