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HS 142 – Unseen Hand with A. Ralph Epperson

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A. Ralph Epperson

Historical studies of countries, governments, economics, populations, cultures and more offer numerous insights into how the world reached its current state. A more traditional view is The Accidental View of History, which holds that no one really knows why events happen – they just do. There is also the Conspiratorial View of History. Jason Hartman interviews historian, author and lecturer Ralph Epperson about Ralph’s book, Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History. Ralph addresses the conspiracies behind the numerous wars and revolutions across the globe, the depressions and recessions, and he discusses the creation of the Federal Reserve and the foundation of the I.R.S.

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Ralph Epperson is an historian, author, and lecturer who has been researching the CONSPIRATORIAL VIEW OF HISTORY (the view that the major events of the past have been planned years in advance by a central conspiracy) for 50 years. He has written or produced four “best-selling” books entitled THE UNSEEN HAND, THE NEW WORLD ORDER, MASONRY: CONSPIRACY AGAINST CHRISTIANITY, JESSE JAMES, UNITED STATES SENATOR, six booklets, and 15 DVDs.

He is a graduate of the University of Arizona, but freely admits that what he has learned since graduation has taught him that most of what he learned in college in History and Political Science simply is not true. He proudly states that his research has proven to him that there has been an active conspiracy in the world planning major wars, depressions, and inflations years in advance. 

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Historical studies of countries, governments, economics, populations, cultures and more offer numerous insights into how the world reached its current state. A more traditional view is The Accidental View of History, which holds that no one really knows why events happen – they just do. There is also the Conspiratorial View of History. Jason Hartman interviews historian, author and lecturer Ralph Epperson about Ralph’s book, Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History. Ralph addresses the conspiracies behind the numerous wars and revolutions across the globe, the depressions and recessions, and he discusses the creation of the Federal Reserve and the foundation of the I.R.S.

Ralph Epperson is an historian, author, and lecturer who has been researching the CONSPIRATORIAL VIEW OF HISTORY (the view that the major events of the past have been planned years in advance by a central conspiracy) for 50 years. He has written or produced four “best-selling” books entitled THE UNSEEN HAND, THE NEW WORLD ORDER, MASONRY: CONSPIRACY AGAINST CHRISTIANITY, JESSE JAMES, UNITED STATES SENATOR, six booklets, and 15 DVDs.

He is a graduate of the University of Arizona, but freely admits that what he has learned since graduation has taught him that most of what he learned in college in History and Political Science simply is not true. He proudly states that his research has proven to him that there has been an active conspiracy in the world planning major wars, depressions, and inflations years in advance.

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Start of Interview with Ralph Epperson

Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Ralph Epperson to the show. He is the author of Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History. And let’s discuss the recession of 2008-2013, and continuing in my opinion, and some other parts as it relates to history. Ralph, welcome. How are you?

A. Ralph Epperson: I’m fine Jason. Thank you very much for inviting me. It’s my pleasure.

Jason Hartman: Well good. Interesting stuff that you cover in the book and generally, so it’s a pleasure to have you on the show. You’re coming to us today from Tucson, Arizona; not far from me. And tell us a little bit about the book Unseen Hand if you would.

A. Ralph Epperson: I wrote it in 1985 after teaching part time at a community college. I didn’t have a text book for my class and my students insisted that I put my thoughts in writing because they were so unique. They were very appreciative of what I had said and how I had presented it. So I decided to write the book in 1985, which is still being published and in fact is being published in 6 foreign nations including communist China.

Jason Hartman: Well one could definitely argue that China in many ways is hardly communist anymore, but in some ways it still is very much that way. Especially with their thought police and their blocking of certain websites. Let’s go through some of the major conspiratorial events in history. Can we take them chronologically Ralph?

A. Ralph Epperson: Oh yeah. A quick way to do it from the Unseen Hand was just to review the American Revolution, the war of 1812 and the civil war, because they’re all connected.

Jason Hartman: Yeah and then let’s move up to Pearl Harbor and then maybe before that you want to cover the founding of the IRS and the Federal Reserve, but yeah let’s start in the 1800s.

A. Ralph Epperson: All of those three wars has one central issue. And that was the desire of the European bankers to force the United States into a central bank. We didn’t have one. So after the American Revolution, we had created the first bank of the United States. That lapsed in 1812. It was refused to be renewed in 1812 for a 20 year charter. So guess what happened? We had the war of 1812 between England and the United States. That was over in 1816; they created a second bank of the United States to run until 1836. Of course Andrew Jackson ran for reelection on a platform of Jackson and no bank or bank and no Jackson. And he won overwhelmingly because people didn’t want a central bank. So we didn’t have a second central bank in perpetuity. So the European bankers planned the civil war in 1837, shortly after the 1836 ending of Jackson’s 8 years in office. So they planned a war with a thing called the Knights of the Golden Circle.

The Knights of the Golden Circle came to America, spread succession and got Americans to fight Americans over the issue of slavery, but that was not the issue. The reason we had the war was because it was Central Bank. Lincoln outfoxed the bankers, issued his own money called a green back, and of course the Knights of the Golden Circle took him out. They assassinated him, John Wilkes Booth was a member and he killed him. And then they covered up; John Wilkes Booth lived to be 65 and died in 1903. That’s another story, which probably by itself is about a 15 minute story. That’s basically what happened.

We finally got our central bank in 1913 when they created the Federal Reserve at the insistence of Woodrow Wilson and the senate. They created – it’s really a private reserve. It’s not federal in any sense of the word. It’s owned by individuals. We now know at least a little about who owns it. We will never find out I would say, because every time they try to audit it to find out who owns it, the voting is negative. They won’t allow the government to interfere with this so-called independent Federal Reserve.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, it’s of course ridiculous. Thank god for Ron Paul at least getting the word out. And so many more people nowadays are much more aware of the scam known as the central bank or the Federal Reserve. But most countries have central banks and they’re operating under similar scams. But just before we jump onto that, what was the group that caused the civil war that got Americans to fight Americans?

A. Ralph Epperson: It was called the Knights of the Golden Circle.

Jason Hartman: And how did they do that specifically?

A. Ralph Epperson: The European bankers met in 1836 after the central bank of the United States was allowed to lapse. Because of Andrew Jackson the American people refused to create one. And they decided on a second, well actually a third war, The American Revolution, The War of 1812 and then The Civil War. And The Civil War was intended to force Lincoln into creation of a central bank to pay for the cost of the war. And Lincoln said no, I’m going to issue the green back dollar, which was not borrowed.

So the Knights of the Golden Circle assassinated Abraham Lincoln. He was murdered by John Wilkes Booth, William Stanton, the secretary of war made sure that Booth escaped. He lived to be 65 years of age and was poisoned in 1903 in Enid, Oklahoma. The Knights of the Golden Circle wanted to create a second civil war with a continuation of the white versus black riots. They created a group called the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. It was created by the Knights of the Golden Circle in 1867 to force the south into a second war against the United States. That never came about fortunately for the American people.

Jason Hartman: And let’s move onto the next one. When we talk about things that are so far past I think people have trouble seeing the relevance to their life today. But one that we can certainly move to, as you alluded to, was the founding of the Federal Reserve and right after that, the founding of the Internal Revenue Service in the early 1900s.

A. Ralph Epperson: If you read Karl Marx in this book entitled The Communist Manifesto, he says there’s a ten plank program to communize and industrialize society. Two of which were a central bank and a graduated income tax, and we got both of those measures in 1913 with our first true Marxist president, Woodrow Wilson. He created the central bank, called the Federal Reserve, and gave us a graduated income tax. And the way they worked together was as the bank increases inflation, your wages go up, and as your wages go up you go into a higher tax bracket. So if the inflation goes up, let’s say the cost of living goes up 2%, you get a 2% raise in your income, but then you pay 1% more on your income taxes so you’d end up losing 1%. That’s what this is all about. Marx knew those two would go together and Woodrow Wilson made sure we got them at the same time.

Jason Hartman: That’s quite amazing, because the interesting thing about it is that it fools most people at the same time. Most people think that they’re getting ahead, and maybe they do just for a short period of time, but then inflation kicks in and it’s just this vicious cycle. But didn’t Wilson say on his death bed or close to it, that he regretted the Federal Reserve?

A. Ralph Epperson: Yes, that’s true. I don’t know why he would do that, because he certainly knew what he was doing. He was a Marxist. You can prove that. It’s all documented in my book The Unseen Hand. I show you how I can say unequivocally that he was a Marxist communist. So he knew how the two of them worked together. And apparently later on he did decide just before he died reportedly that he’d made a big, big mistake in creating the Federal Reserve.

Jason Hartman: So what comes next? Do you want to jump to the Great Depression or Pearl Harbor or a combination of the two?

A. Ralph Epperson: Let’s continue with the Federal Reserve. It was created in 1913. We had our first economic depression in 1920. America hadn’t had any depressions like that until we got the Federal Reserve. The depression, listen to this, the depression of 1920 raised the unemployment rate to 12%, the gross national product went down 17%, Warren G Harding was elected in 1920, and within one year the depression was over. One year to solve a depression: Warren G Harding. He cut government spending, he cut the national debt, he cut taxes dramatically, and guess what? Within one year unemployment was down to about 6% and at the end of the second year it was down to about 2.4%. Now, Barack Obama has been in office for four years. He’s had a recession with 8% unemployment and he can’t solve it. Why? Why can’t he solve a recession in four years, a recession that is not as bad as the depression? But he should follow the example of Warren Harding who solved a depression in one year.

Jason Hartman: And what is that example?

A. Ralph Epperson: The example is he cut spending, he gave the American people their money back, he cut taxes dramatically at all levels, which stimulated the economy, which created jobs. The answer to creating jobs, as even many of the republicans are saying is to let the free enterprise system create jobs and not the government. Warren G. Harding did not borrow money from the private reserve even though he could. And unfortunately for some reason, Warren G. Harding died in his first term. I wonder if there was a connection between his death and that of Abraham Lincoln? I don’t know.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, it’s an interesting question, no doubt. So one of the promises that the Federal Reserve made, I’m not saying they made it specifically, but the zeitgeist of the time was saying we need another central bank. I believe that was our third central bank in American History. We’re still saddled with its manipulations. And one of the promises of it was that it would end the cycle. The cycle of bubble creation and then collapse, and then another bubble and then another collapse. Yet we have had that like clockwork since the founding of the Federal Reserve back in 1913.

A. Ralph Epperson: That’s correct. And then we’ve got the crash on 1929, but Franklin Roosevelt, like Barack Obama, made sure that he didn’t follow the example of Warren G Harding. He did everything he could to socialize or even communize the United States. It took him ten years to get out of the depression in 1920, and of course the interesting thing about it is that in 1928 the very wealthy got out of the market almost as if they knew it was going to happen in October of 1929. And in my book I show you how they did that, how they created the crash of 1929 done by the private reserve.

By the way, very clearly, the Federal Reserve is not federally owned, it’s privately owned. And there’s one quick way you can confirm this. Just go find a phone book for one of the 12 different branch offices of the Federal Reserve and find them in the blue pages where the government listings are, under the F for federal. You’ll find the department of the army, and department of defense, and social security, income tax, everything else. But the Federal Reserve is not listed, so the way to find them is in the white pages. Because the white pages list privately owned businesses like the Federal Express. Federal Express is not federally owned but it’s listed in the Fs just like the Federal Reserve is. That way you can know it’s privately owned.

Jason Hartman: Sure, and I don’t think anybody doubts that nowadays. People understand that the Federal Reserve is about as federal as Federal Express. So I don’t think you’ll get any debate there. But it’s interesting that you mention a phone book. Does anybody even have or use a phone book anymore? I’m surprised they still print those things. But that is one way to look without being mixed up on the internet. It’s pretty clear cut obviously. Well good. Let’s keep moving on here in history and come up to current day a little bit. What do you want to cover next? Do you want to talk about Pearl Harbor?

A. Ralph Epperson: Well Pearl Harbor [0:15:01.4]. Once you get into a central bank like the Federal Reserve, you want to create wars because wars are very expensive and you could loan money to the government and add interest. By the way, that’s an interesting comment right there. Why is it that our politicians do not talk about the interest on the national debt? The national debt is worth 16 trillion dollars, and I’ll dare say we’re going to pay that back plus enormous interest for maybe 10 or 20 years. Which is why people who are objecting to it, including myself, will point out that we will pay interest, which means that our children and our grandchildren will pay the interest on the national debt, plus pay the national debt back.

And the Federal Reserve has created the money out of nothing, so they’re making huge, enormous profits on something they can create out of nothing. You and I can’t create money out of nothing. If we do, it’s called counterfeiting, and when we do we go to jail. The Federal Reserve creates money out of nothing and it’s not called counterfeiting, it’s called funding the debt. Isn’t that interesting?

Jason Hartman: Yeah, I don’t think there will be peace on Earth until war becomes far less profitable. Especially to central banks; they talk about the military industrial complex and that’s a very lucrative industry obviously Ralph, but the central banking industry financing both sides of the same war is incredibly profitable. So no question about that, especially when you can create money out of thin air. You can’t create tanks, planes, bombs and other war equipment out of thin air, but the money to finance wars is created completely out of thin air.

If I may read a one sentence quote from Thomas Jefferson, I think he’s our third president, one sentence: “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted upon would save one half of the wars of the world.” What was he trying to tell us? See here’s the thing: if you want to create a war, you can finance both sides and double your profit. That’s what he’s saying. So it’d be who’s the central banks of the world to create wars and then they can loan money to both nations or even in world wars like we’ve had, the last two or three, they can loan many nations’ money. It’s an incredible process. Just like Marx said, it’s the way to communize and industrialize society.

Jason Hartman: It sure is. But it’s taken them an awfully long time to do this. We’re certainly moving in that direction. But on the positive side there are still lots of bastions of freedom left. We’ve had a hundred years of the Federal Reserve, we’ve had 98 years of the IRS, and it’s hard to argue that life isn’t better, at least materially than it was 10 years ago, or a hundred years ago, or anywhere in between. Your thoughts on that?

A. Ralph Epperson: Let’s now get into the recession of 2008 and 2013 because it’s also created by the Federal Reserve. Isn’t that interesting? Now let’s talk about that. Barack certainly inherited a mess. But let me tell you where the mes came from. But I want to document this. People go onto the internet and get an article written September the 30th 1999 in the New York Times. It was written by Stephen A. Holmes. And whenever the New York Times speaks, it’s speaking almost officially for the US government. So they were telling us something by this article. Let’s start with the first step. No banker would loan money to someone who can’t pay him back. It doesn’t make sense. The banker knows he’s not loaning out his money, he’s loaning out the money of the depositors. So if he makes bad loans, a number of the depositors will pull their money out and then the bank will go bankrupt. So he knows to keep his job, he can only loan to people who can pay it back.

Then something changed. Let’s talk about how that changed. No banker would make loans to people who can’t pay it back. Oh yes he can. Listen to this: I’m going to condense this article because of the time constraints. I would normally read it. It’s about 4 sentences long. But what it says is that the Fannie Mae, which underwrites these loans of the banks was encouraged by the Clinton administration in 1999 to make loans that were not solvent. They had no way to pay them back. Wait a minute, if Fannie Mae walked into a banker in Tucson and said we want you to start making loans but you won’t get paid back, the banker would say you’re crazy, I can’t do that. You say, oh, yes you can. Fannie Mae will bail you out. In fact even in the article they quote some expert. He says if this thing fails, making these bad loans, the government will have to bail them out. Isn’t that interesting?

So here’s what happened. The banks started making these loans, of course they didn’t get paid back, so they sold these mortgages to Fannie Mae, so Fannie Mae is a profit maker. It says listen, we’ve got to make money as well, we can’t make bad loans, so would you bail us out as well? So Fannie Mae got bailed out by congress. Congress says we will bail you out, because [0:20:40.8] house with a white picket fence. So Congress said wait a minute, we have to get bailed out because we have to borrow the money, get it some place, to make these loans to bail out Fannie Mae and the banks, so they said we’ll borrow the money from the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve says wait a minute, we can make you the loans but we need to be paid back as well, so we need to be bailed out and who’s going to bail us out? Well guess who? The tax payers. Who’s going to bail out the tax payers? Nobody.

Do you see what just happened? The whole thing is by design. It’s by design. Notice. You just mentioned that it’s a little bit better now; it is not. Talk about the 8 or 10 or 20% unemployment.

Jason Hartman: Well I think the real unemployment rate is about 23% now. And the underemployment is just shocking. It’s just shocking. This happens somewhat frequently. I always make it a point of talking to taxi and limo drivers, and I had a limo pick me up at the airport when I lived in Southern California. And this was just two years ago. I remember, I came back from a trip, I had a limo pick me up, and I was talking to the driver. I said, do you do this full time? I always try to hear what’s up with them because they tend to know a lot. They talk to a lot of people. And he said, yes, I do. And I said what’d you do before? He was an older gentleman. And he said well, I was an industrial engineer. And there are just no jobs for me unless I want to move to Mexico. And I thought, isn’t that just fitting?

Here we’ve got a highly capable educated person with, probably in the day, I don’t know when he did his college work, had quite a bit of student loan debt, that, by the way, cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. That’s another conspiracy in my eyes to create millions and millions of indentured servants and debt slaves. The college tuition costs have soared to 2-3 times the rate of reported of inflation. What a scam that is. Talk about a way to impoverish tens of millions of people. It’s ridiculous. He’s totally underemployed. Here he is, he’s an industrial engineer, and he should be doing something that creates value in his line of work, yet he’s driving a limo.

A. Ralph Epperson: Jason, I want you to understand. This is happening by design. And understand this, it’s intended to destroy the middle class. Because when this industrial engineer can’t do anything but drive a taxi cab, he’s got debts that he’s got and those are going to be written off. That means that the grocery store is not going to sell as many foods to him, the ice cream store that used to get some business from him won’t get it. They’re not going to buy milk from the dairy man, the dairy man is not going to buy grass or grain from wherever it is from the farmer, the farmer is not going to buy gasoline… see what I’m saying? This is happening by design.

Jason Hartman: Okay, so here. Calm down for a second, here is the question though. The question is why? This is the hollowing out of America theory. Make America weaker. Why? What is the real reasoning for this? Why would the powers that be want to do this?

A. Ralph Epperson: The answer is very clear. It’s been covered by me in the book, an 8 hour DVD and now even in a 4 hour DVD, it’s by design. We’re going into this thing called the New World Order. It’s on the back of your dollar bill. It was created by the United States Congress, or actually the founding fathers when they wrote the Constitution and they created the great seal of the United States. On the back side it says “annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum” announcing the birth of the new world order. The new world order is not going to have a middle class.

Jason Hartman: Okay, but why? What is the point of that? I’ve heard about that, I’ve read about that, I’ve done shows about it, what is the reason? What is the benefit to the Rothschild family and the people who really run the world? The Bilderberg group maybe. I’d love to get your take on that as well. But what is the benefit?

A. Ralph Epperson: The answer is in an 8 hour DVD. Oh, I can’t watch an 8 hour DVD. You can watch the Super Bowl for 6 hours. I’m asking you and your listeners to do themselves and this nation a favor. Commit to watching Conspiracy Against Christianity, an 8 hour DVD that I have on the internet right now. You can watch it for free. Make copies, give them away. Sell them, I don’t care what you do with it.

Jason Hartman: You just want to get the word out. Ralph, where can people find that by the way?

A. Ralph Epperson: It’s on the internet. Go to YouTube.

Jason Hartman: So, just on YouTube and type in Conspiracy against Christianity?

A. Ralph Epperson: Correct. It might be on my website and if it is, I’ll give you the website. I’m not sure. I’ve got about 15 DVDs on the internet and I’m not sure which is which. I don’t put them up there, others do it for me. But it’s called Conspiracy Against Christianity, go to my website www.ralph-epperson.com. Find Conspiracy Against Christianity, and by the way please put away all of your previous thoughts because I’m going to blow your mind with some evidence. I’m going to explain what this new world order is and why they want it. Why did our founding fathers want a new world order? It’s mind boggling but it’s happening in front of our very eyes, but the American people don’t know why it’s happening, don’t want to hear it because it’s very depressing and very scary. So if you want to know, Conspiracy Against Christianity.

Jason Hartman: And by the way, it is on YouTube. I found it. It’s in 4 parts. Part 1 is about 2 hours and 11 minutes and then there are 3 other parts as well. So thanks for telling us about that Ralph. So basically the result of the new world order in your eyes is that we’ll have a banana republic type of society globally rather than in just developing, or that may be the wrong word to use actually, third world countries where we have the rich elites and we have the poor, and the middle class is essentially gone. Certainly it would be impossible for any rational person to argue that the middle class is not under attack in America and is not disappearing in mass.

A. Ralph Epperson: Jason, if I may, please understand that’s why this DVD is 8 hours long. I’ve got to lay down a lot of foundation work to go back even to the founding of this nation. Why did the founding fathers want the new world order? What did they mean by it? Listen to me very clearly: our founding fathers gave congress total unlimited tyrannical power in the constitution. Everything this government is doing is constitutional. They were granted the power to legislate in all cases whatsoever, which means total unrestricted power. It’s all covered in my 4 hour DVD called America’s Secret Destiny. You might want to watch that one first. That’s four hours long on the internet. Watch that and then watch the 8 hour DVD. Watch 12 hours, Ralph? Okay that’s it. If you want to know what’s happening in America you need to watch those 2 DVDs in that sequence.

Jason Hartman: And they’re not even DVDs, they’re just videos on YouTube. Okay, so Ralph, that will be the result of this. Now what surprises me is that you say most people argue that the current elite is not following the constitution. That the constitution is being completely trampled on and bastardized. However, you’re saying that our founding fathers were really in on this way back 234 years ago?

A. Ralph Epperson: Yes, and the evidence of that is in the declaration of independence and the constitution and in its predecessor, an act of the parliament in 1766 called the Declaratory Act. Look it up on the internet. It’s not very long. You can print it out on one sheet of paper. Print it out, read it. Then read the declaration and then the constitution and you will see that our founding fathers gave congress total, unlimited power. It’s unrestricted. There is no bill of rights under this grant of power, and our founding fathers in the declaration admitted that. But they gave it to congress anyway. Do you understand? Our founding fathers betrayed us. They committed this nation to a secret destiny.

And you mentioned it was going slow? They have a deadline. They knew it was going to take several hundred years to deliver the new world order. I know this is strange. I’m saying yes, it’s based on evidence. If I may say one thing Jason, at this point, I am an honorary citizen of Missouri. They don’t have such an honor I’m sure, but I declared myself to be an honorary citizen. Why? Because Missouri is called the Show-Me state.

Here’s what I do. Someone’s got a new theory. Listen, Ralph, there’s something going on, an XYZ problem. I say show me the evidence. If he has no evidence, I have no time. So you should ask me to show you the evidence that I write. And when I do that by documentation and leading you through it step by step, you’re going to have to see finally what’s happening is by design of our founding fathers. Oh I don’t believe that, Ralph, that’s the problem. I’m going to ask you to be on a jury and when you’re on a jury you’ve got to hear both sides and be open. And examine the evidence. Show me. Show me he’s guilty, show me he’s innocent. Epperson, show me what you’re saying and I will do so.

Jason Hartman: Of course, people can watch the videos on YouTube, I’ll look forward to doing that. But give out your website if you would.

A. Ralph Epperson: www.ralph-epperson.com. Go there, browse, it’s rather long but I think it’s very simple, very easy to follow. Everything is described. You can see what I’ve written and produced in 50 years of research.

Jason Hartman: Okay, Ralph Epperson, author of The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, book is available too and thank you so much for joining us today.

A. Ralph Epperson: My pleasure Jason, thank you for inviting me.

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The Holistic Survival Team

Episode: 142

Guest: A. Ralph Epperson

iTunes: Stream Episode

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