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HS 164 – Reality Check with Ben Swann

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Ben Swann

Ben Swann is an award winning journalist who is currently a prime time anchor on WXIX, the Fox affiliate in Cincinnati, OH. Ben is a rising star and touted by many as someone who will dominate “alternative media” in 2013 and beyond.Ben’s weekly investigative piece, dubbed “Reality Check” attempts to go beyond the headlines of the biggest national stories and uncover the truth by giving his viewers the details that mainstream media is leaving out of their coverage. This segment far transcends his local viewing market and has earned Ben millions of YouTube views, and near 100,000 Facebook fans (or likes) on his two combined pages.

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From Ben’s own Facebook page:

National media has become so busy pushing an agenda they seem to forget the primary role of media is to hold those in power in check. My hope is that is what “Reality Check” will not only accomplish but will inspire in other journalists.

In Ben’s budding career, he has won an Edward R Murrow award for Investigative Journalism and a Lone Star Emmy award in 2005. Although highly sought after by cable news and national network news, Ben has decided to take his own path and use his grassroots fan base to crowd-source an investigative journalism and alternative media project. More details will be available for this project will be available in June of 2013.
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Start of Interview with Ben Swann

Jason Hartman: It’s my pleasure to welcome Ben Swann to the show. He is a Prime Time Anchor with WXIX Fox 19 in Cincinnati, as well as a writer, host and producer of Reality Check with Ben Swann. Ben, welcome. How are you?

Ben Swann: I’m great, how are you Jason?

Jason Hartman: Great. Fantastic to have you on the show. Let’s cover a couple of current events. One that is in the news that just every time I see covered it just makes my blood boil, and that is this Benghazi disaster that fortunately Darrell Issa is not letting go away, and many other people aren’t either. Your thoughts?

Ben Swann: One of the most interesting pieces that’s come to light in the last few weeks are these reports that Fox News has been doing that reportedly there are a couple of whistle blowers that work with the state department and the CIA who say that they were passed over essentially by the official investigation into what happened there. They were not allowed to testify the first time around and so they’re asking not only that they be allowed to testify but that they be allowed to clarify some of what happened in terms of US response as well as the situation with security around Benghazi. So they’ve been asked to do that. For some time the administration has said that there are no whistle blowers, and there’s no repercussion for anyone who might be trying to come forward, and yet they say they’re also not aware of anyone who’s trying to come forward. Well, these folks say they’ve been trying to. They’ve now secured attorneys to represent them and they may be coming forward as early as next week, to actually come forward and share some of what they claim is the bigger story of what happened in Benghazi. So not knowing what their testimony is, it’s interesting because as we all know, what we knew on the record in terms of this administration and their record of essentially targeting whistle blowers and going after whistle blowers is really unprecedented by administration. And certainly by any administration that came into power claiming that they would be transparent in so many different ways.

Jason Hartman: Sure they did. It was just unbelievable. It is amazing to me, Ben that the prior Obama supporters are still supporters. I just can’t believe that. They must be wearing blinders with what’s gone on compared to the promises made originally 5 years ago. Bu be that is it is, these whistle blowers, I really fear for them. I wonder if they have to worry about becoming the next Vince Foster, or Ron Brown or any of the people that knew a lot about the Kennedy situation many years ago.

Ben Swann: It’s hard to say. In terms of the danger, I would say just from what I’ve seen in the past, the safest thing you can do in any situation is to get your name out there and be known on the record for what you’re claiming. Because obviously that helps you. The person who has lots of information but never comes forward is probably in more danger than the person who does come forward.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, that’s an interesting concept because then they publicize it to the media, so they almost have the “protection”, if you will, of the court of public opinion and the media.

Ben Swann: Yeah, you almost become too big to touch at a certain point. And that’s not to say that even if they have a bombshell in terms of the information that they’re going to provide, that most of America will even listen or care. I think you touched on this a minute ago when you said folks that are still Obama supporters who listened to the promises he made and then they watched the record, well the truth is that many of those people were very anti-George W. Bush, very pro-president Obama. But the fact is if you liked the policies of president Bush, you probably like the policies of president Obama. Because the policies are virtually the same. And yet we’re such a polarized country in terms of this left/right paradigm, the people in the right would never acknowledge that Obama is anything like George W. Bush, and people on the left Vice Versa, and yet for those of us who are in the middle of that and breaking through that left/right paradigm say no, the facts are… they’re pretty much toting the same line.

Jason Hartman: I would certainly agree with you. One of the funniest Facebook posts I’ve seen recently was that kind of funny smirking picture of George W. Bush on the billboard where he’s kind of waving and it says “Miss me yet?”; It’s a picture of that billboard that I think appeared somewhere in the south, I can’t remember, and that was a couple of years ago, but the first one said “miss me yet?” and then below it the caption was “Nope. We can hardly even tell you left”.

Ben Swann: There’s a lot of truth to that.

Jason Hartman: There sure is, there sure is. Tell us your thoughts on Benghazi and anything there and then we’ll move onto another topic.

Ben Swann: Well, with Benghazi what’s important, and media has just ignored this, we’ve been covering the story extensively for 8 months now and one of my beliefs is that you can learn a lot about the future by looking at the past. And certainly I the case of Benghazi, for those of us who are watching what’s happening in Syria right now, if you watch what happened in Libya, then you’ll know how Syria will likely play out. Not just in terms of the US, who will ultimately, I believe, arm the Syrian rebels and it looks like we’re much closer today than we were even before at doing that, overtly arming them, I should say, because we are covertly funding them and funding the free Syrian army.

But on top of that, if you look at the end result after Libya was handed over to “freedom fighters” within just a few months of that happening, we had this attack on the US compound of Benghazi and we see the ambassador Chris Stevens killed and three other Americans killed, we find out that the group that was hired by our government to secure that compound was actually Al Qaida sympathizers, Al Qaida fighters, Ansar al-Sharia who are closely associated with Al Qaida carried out the attack.

The fact is this, we’re in a situation in Syria where we are funding and supporting the “free Syrian army” who is really just Al Qaida fighters, many of them foreign fighters who are coming from other parts of the middle east and even Europe in some cases, now fighting alongside Al Qaida and Syria to overthrow the government there. That’s not to say that the government in Syria is without problems or without their own sets of evils, but the fact is that it’s not who we claim that it is. It’s not a bunch of freedom fighters in Syria. The people who are fighting in Syria are led by Al Qaida fighters.

I did a Skype interview with a guy who’s in Damascus and talks a lot about this. He said that the majority of the people two years into this so called civil war, the majority of the Syrian people are siding with the government now – not because they agree with Bashar al-Assad. In fact many of them have had strong disagreements with him in the past including this guy, but he says the problem is we have to choose now. Do we continue to support the government now, or turn now to support the government, or do we support Al Qaida taking over our country? And Al Qaida is beheading people, Syrian civilians, they’re killing anyone who is not their particular brand of Sunni Muslim, and so what we’re seeing happening in Syria right now is anyone who’s Christian, anyone who’s an Orthodox Christian, anyone who’s a Jew, anyone who is not really sided with Al Qaida in this fight is being targeted.

So what US media is saying about what is happening in Syria is not at all what’s actually happening on the ground, just as what the US media was saying about Libya was not at all what was happening on the ground. We did not create an ally in Libya, we created another state being run by terrorists. And that’s what we will end up doing in Syria as well.

Jason Hartman: That sounds pretty typical of our track record. The problem is when we engage so much and become so involved in these conflicts and try to get our way and support the puppet we want to support, they always turn out to be our enemy 20 years later anyway. And now it seems like it’s happening faster and faster. It’s two years later. So they’re such a bunch of strange bed fellows and incredibly complex situations that just makes me think more and more that Ron Paul’s idea of just staying out of it is just possibly the best idea of all.

Ben Swann: Well what’s interesting about that is you’ll hear people referring to that policy as an isolationist policy.

Jason Hartman: Sure.

Ben Swann: But the indication when someone says that is that what they’re advocating is not to police other nations, but we’re not policing other nations. We have, as you know and I think the majority of Americans know, we simply prop up dictators around the world and we simply watch those regimes really be terribly cruel to people and dominate them, and oppress them until finally some other group rises up and tries to kind of push out that dictator and then we pretend that we never sided with that dictator in the beginning. And we just keep trading these folks to be in control and it’s a foreign policy that does not work. But Dr. Paul talked about during the election, that term blowback is something that Americans need to learn that term and they need to learn the meaning of it because that’s exactly what we’re dealing with; certainly what we dealt with in Libya, and what we will end up dealing with in Syria.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, I definitely agree. And the argument on the other side, and it strikes a chord with me, is that today’s complex interconnected world, you can’t be an isolationist. I think it was maybe George Washington who said on his farewell address, “Avoid foreign entanglements”. Maybe it wasn’t Washington, I could be misquoting that. Forgive me.

Ben Swann: It was.

Jason Hartman: But the people on the other side of that say you can’t just do that nowadays. And that strikes me as true on its face conceptually, but gosh you just look at the way these things work out and they never seem to work out right.

Ben Swann: They don’t. And part of the problem for that again, is it creates, and I’ll get in trouble for using this term, but it creates imperialism throughout the world, and that’s what we’re seeing right now. You have nations that have become too heavily leveraged, war and creating these situations where we’re funding and propping up governments around the world – it’s a very expensive prospect. Our nation does not have the finances to continue that. We’ve proven through Iraq and Afghanistan that we are funding wars through debt.

And so we find ourselves spread way too thin. And for all of the billions of dollars, nearly trillions of dollars that we have spent on these foreign wars, along with the incredible amount of sacrifice from military families, and the lives that have been lost as a result of this, we are no better off today in terms of having friends around the world, than we were before we started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, before we became involved in those wars. In fact, if anything, you can look around the Middle East and say we actually have more enemies now than we did before. So at what point do we sit back and asses that and say this isn’t working, this strategy?

And certainly as we go from that to revolution even beyond that to where president Obama has taken us into this strategy of drone strikes throughout the Middle East, Pakistan and Somalia and Yemen where we are now committing these drone strikes to villages in order to take out Al Qaida fighters. And in the meantime, less than 2% of the time the intended target is actually killed. And instead we’re killing thousands of civilians who are not radicalized. What we’re essentially doing is radicalizing much of the Middle East in those areas where they hadn’t been radicalized before.

Jason Hartman: It just makes you wonder if that’s intentional to keep the central banks rich and profiting from war, and to keep the military industrial complex going. It seems like a stupid strategy of course, but I always fall back to that great old saying from Michael Labour’s book The Greatest Management Principle in the World, “What gets rewarded gets repeated” and Deep Throat from Watergate, “follow the money”, it’s just all about that. I don’t know if anybody really wants peace. It’s just too profitable to not have peace unfortunately.

Ben Swann: Certainly war is a very profitable industry. It certainly is. We understand that, we know that. And we see that the incredible amount of money that has gone into even in this country, when we’re talking about Sequester and the tiny little fraction of defense spending that was going to be affected by Sequester and the ringing of hands of people saying we can’t possibly do this because so many people will be laid off, so many people will lose their jobs and it’s bad for our economy. Well, when our economy is built upon war, and it’s not entirely obviously, but even in the cases where it is and the amount of tax payer money that’s going just to keep people creating weapons, it’s not a positive thing; certainly for the economy and certainly for the nation.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, well no question about it. I would just be remiss if I didn’t just get some quick thoughts from you on North Korea and Iran.

Ben Swann: North Korea certainly, this is an interesting case because you have a situation there where the US has helped to supply that nuclear technology to the North Koreans. That’s a fact. And we continue to do this, again, throughout the world. What’s fascinating about that is, being North Koreans do have that nuclear technology, our response is always to impose these UN sanctions. And the sanctions never harm the people on top. It never causes the people with the finger on the button, on the device to be controlled. Instead it just creates suffering for the people in their regimes. And the idea is, well eventually those people will overthrow their leaders; well that never happens. It’s amazing to me, again, that the same talking points always come back out in these discussions. And nothing changes and people go along with it.

Iran is a little bit different situation because the claim there is that we have to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon, but the fact is this: again, the rhetoric that’s used when we talk about Iran, you can go back and word for word cut and paste it from the statements that we being made about Iraq before the invasion, and the build up to the nation, including the claims that Saddam Hussein was looking for enriched Uranium and that Saddam Hussein was pursuing a nuclear weapon and the claim that he would have one within, the date was given, 5 years. And so a lot of that same terminology was used prior to the build up to the war in Iraq.

We go into Iraq, find out not only was that not true, we didn’t have any of the WMDs that the government had claimed that he had. So we see kind of a repeat there, a very similar type of thing. But as often as we talk about how we must intervene, quite frankly just from a physical standpoint, how do you do it? How do you go into another war in the middle of the Middle East with another nation? It just doesn’t make any sense.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, it’s just beyond the beyond. Who would have ever thought it would work out like this years ago? It’s just one war after another. And you can see the next ones in the pipeline. You can just see them in advance and you know they’re coming. It really makes you wonder what the motivations are. Any more thoughts on Syria?

Ben Swann: I think certainly that Syria, we have a situation where eventually Al Qaida fighters are going to overthrow the Assad Regime, not by their own abilities but the US will intervene and help with it. Just as we did in Libya. Remember the Al Qaida fighters that were in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi could not do it. First of all, they were not Libyans in many cases and in the cases where they were, a lot of these guys were Libyan born who were fighting our troops in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. And they had actually left those countries and gone back to Libya to fight in this fight. And we knew that.

Italian newspapers were interviews al-Hasidi, the head of the Libyan rebel army and he was an Al Qaida fighter from Pakistan who had fought us in Afghanistan and we had allowed him to go back and fight over there. We had already captured this guy and we turned him loose. And he talked very openly about it because remember, when we use the term Al Qaida, it’s so heinous and yet when they use the term Al Qaida, it’s a call to action. They’re the Jihadists – they’re the ones that are fighting the holy war.

And so we saw it happening, we watched it happen, the US created this no fly zone in order to prevent Gaddafi from having the upper hand there and we eventually were the ones that helped attack the convoy where Gaddafi was pulled out and killed. So the US along with allies, really took the lead in that and made sure that Libya fell. We insured that it happened. We’re doing the same thing to Syria.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, but the question is though, what will be the net result of this ultimately? Look at Egypt. Are we getting a good net result there? It appears that probably it’s not going to go so well.

Ben Swann: Well, I can tell you certainly as a journalist, I can tell you what Al Qaida is saying they want to be the net result of it, which is they want to create a super state that would be a unified Iraq and Syria together as a super Al Qaida state. That’s what they’re looking to do with it. And they’ve spoken openly about this. So it’s not something that’s conspiratorial or hidden away.

Al Qaida is very clear about what they want. They want to create a super state. Our government continues to fund and continues to push, and defense secretary Chuck Hagel coming out and saying just yesterday that they’re now rethinking the agreements they’ve made to not arm Syrian rebels, saying maybe they’ll do it now. You can go to YouTube. Any of your viewers can go to YouTube and you can Google free Syrian army and you can see videos where these guys are talking openly about being Al Qaida fighters where they’re carrying black flags, where they’re singing songs about killing anyone who is of another religion than they are, talking about the fact that they are going to kill anyone who stands against them, videos of them beheading people. The free Syrian army beheading people in Syria.

It’s not hard to find if you just open your eyes to it. It’s happening very clearly in front of us. But because main stream media won’t talk about that part of the narrative, they just won’t talk about it. If you watch Anderson Cooper what you’re going to hear is how the Syrian revolution is happening, Assad is a monster with chemical weapons, the people are pushing against him because they’re tired of his regime, and they want to stop it. That’s what you’re going to hear and that’s all you’re going to hear. You’re not going to hear that nope, it’s Al Qaida fighters, the same guys who we have spent so many billions of dollars and countless American lives fighting in Afghanistan are the guys that we are funding to take over Syria. They’re never going to tell you that story.

Jason Hartman: Let’s talk about that for a moment. You’re in the media business. I don’t know how much of this you can or are willing to discuss, but the media business is so corporatized, the mainstream media, whether it be Fox or CNN or any other outlet, the big giant companies that own many different outlets whether they be newspapers, cable networks, television stations, whatever, clear channel radio, etc. but at least on radio you have what I call, radio and the blogosphere, you have the dialogue media as I call it and with the more traditional mainstream media, it’s the monologue media as I call it. And I’ll be happy to elaborate on what I mean by that. But I just wanted to get your thoughts on why we don’t get the real news, and how in the world there can only be 6 things going on on the planet every day. Because if you’re in a hotel room, and this happens when I’m traveling, and you turn on headline news, the CNN headline news, it’s like the same six stories. It’s mind boggling. There must be nothing else going on in the world. They must have covered the entire globe.

Ben Swann: You’re absolutely right. There are some people that think there’s a kind of a nefarious reason for that and there may be. I’m not aware of it if there is. I think more than anything, at least on the lower levels of journalism where I live, in the local broadcast media even on the low end of network news, maybe not in the brain trust but among reporters and journalists and producers, I don’t think it’s so much that they’re conspiring to keep information out, I think it’s more of an issue of its groupthink. So, they’re all in this kind of groupthink of what constitutes news and what constitutes and story.

And to be quite frank with you, I don’t think they’re very clever about expanding their own minds as to what out there might be interesting to viewers, or might be important information. And so you see this kind of regurgitation every day because no one really wants to take any chances with what they’re sharing. Maybe someone else will look at you and say that’s not a legitimate story or that’s not true.

The other problem is, you almost have a mentality of unless the networks say it, unless the big guys will go out there and cover this story and say it, it’s not a story. So everyone is kind of waiting on everyone else to beak a lot of these stories. Now, you talk to Amber Lyon or somebody like that and she’ll tell you that flat out, over at CNN it’s not so much that, it’s that the guys at CNN do not want certain stories out and they’re paid not to put certain stories out. And that’s been her experience. I haven’t worked with the same folks that she has.

So I think there are maybe a lot of different factors to it, but I think the thing that changes everything Jason is alternative media. It’s changing everything. Internet, radio and blogs and internet news sites and YouTube and even now streaming sites that are popping up everywhere, it’s changing the model, where people don’t have to wait for some producer or news director to decide that this is a legitimate story. The stories are breaking all the time all around us, and what I’m finding is that people are no longer listening. They’re just tuning out those network voices and those news voices and they’re seeking out information on their own.

Jason Hartman: Well, I agree but still those old voices are pretty powerful. You must admit, they’re very entrenched and while I do believe their power is waning at least relative to the other sources, they still wield a lot of influence.

Ben Swann: They certainly do, and that’s not to take that away. Generationally though, I think that if you look at the generations of Americans I think they wield much less influence over younger generations than older ones. And I think that’s where it’s really going to change. Between the next 5-15 years in this country, I think you’re going to see a dramatic shift in how that all comes together. Because people have the ability to fact check things on their own, and to find information on their own. That’s of course depending on what happens with some of these internet bills, we’ll see what happens with those and what’s actually done to restrict what people can put out there. But if that doesn’t happen, if it remains kind of free and open I think you’re going to see a big shift.

Jason Hartman: Right, right. And of course, we’ve got to be concerned about the monitoring of the internet and the new center in Utah that the government has. All of this stuff is really, really scary and we’re looking at the very real possibility of having massive invasions of our privacy with drones flying around US airspace.

Ben Swann: And huge invasions of privacy via internet when you have bills like 90:24:54.5] that come along and they claim this is to prevent hacking, but the bill allows for things [0:24:59.5] but the original bill that just was passed by the house included two very important things. Many of your listeners may be aware that the bill allowed for internet service providers and the email providers to distribute your personal information including content of emails and all of that to either for profit agencies, nonprofit agencies, government agencies, they can give it to whoever they want. And signing off on privacy, they can break their own privacy agreements first of all, but secondly it even included things like allowing employers to require you to hand over personal passwords for your social networking sites.

Imagine having to hand over your personal Facebook account to an employer who then has the ability to then get into your accounts, but to post things as you. And the idea is no, they wouldn’t do that. Well, of course they would. We’re going to believe for one moment that people wouldn’t do that? Sure they would. So when you hear the claims that this is about stopping China from being able to hack us, that bill would do nothing to prevent the Chinese from hacking us; absolutely nothing. It does everything to take away your privacy.

Jason Hartman: Yeah, all of that is just for the course, that’s just the typical government false flag scenario. It’s been done throughout history and you’re absolutely right. That’s the way they operate. And the sooner that the people in the masses learn that, the better off we’ll all be because maybe it’ll create more activists. Any tips on what people should do, Ben, just before you go? What are some of the action steps that people can do to preserve freedom, create more peace potentially, limit the size of government, just any of your thoughts there?

Ben Swann: Yeah, one of the things that I’m working on, let me just give you kind of a teaser. I’m sure a lot of your listeners who are familiar with me may know, but I’ve announced I’m leaving the station that I’m at right now here at WXIX in Cincinnati. I’m actually going to be launching a new project coming out in June. I can’t tell you a lot about it, we’ll be breaking out those details in the next few weeks, but one of the things that we’re going to do is we’re actually putting together a platform by which people really can affect some change and can do some things – not just talk about problems and not just be aware of them.

It’s one part education, but it’s also one part activism, actually getting people involved and creating a platform of steps that people can take in order to really engage law makers, engage students, engage people in a variety of different areas throughout society, and action back to the people. But I would say in the meantime, one of the things that people can really do is begin to share, just in their own circle of influence, begin to share concepts with family members, with coworkers, with neighbors that speak to kind of restoring sanity to the culture. But be careful of how you do it. Be careful of the fact that there’s a lot of disinformation out there.

There’s an attempt now that if you use terms like The Constitution, they immediately want to kind of tag you, label you, as being a nut job. And the fact is that we’re in an information war at this time. But we’re also in a war of kind of trying to educate and teach people, not just preach at them; not just tell them why you’re saying this wrong, or you don’t really understand how government really works, you can’t see what they’re doing to you. You have to be careful about that because there’s a lot of disinformation out there that’s designed to make you seem strange or out of touch.

So I would really encourage people to practice how they share concepts with people and how they share information about what’s happening around the world and what’s happening in our country and what’s happening really, just all across the board and to do that without using terms that are becoming terms that are almost a buzzword now, like false flag. I would avoid terms like that when talking to people who are on the outside of kind of your sphere of understanding and instead use terms to help them understand that things aren’t always as they seem. Give them some facts, and just be gentle with them I guess is what I’m trying to say.

Because right now I feel like we’re at a time where people are really butting heads on these issues, and I just want to see people wake up. I want to see people open their eyes and really see what’s happening and kind of the wool that’s been pulled over it, and the only way to do that is to educate people.

Jason Hartman: Yes, that’s definitely true. Do you want to talk at all about your project or the project I’m familiar with, or is that off limits for a couple of weeks?

Ben Swann: We will be announcing some great stuff in the next few weeks which I’m really excited about, but one of the ways that you can really get information on that, be one of the first people to get it, is right now go to our website: BenSwan.com. There you can fill out a form to be on our mailing list and we will send you, you will be one of the very first, you will receive an announcement about exactly what we’re doing and how you can be involved in it. And that will be happening within the next three weeks.

Jason Hartman: Fantastic. well, Ben Swann thanks so much for joining us today and keep up the good work and keep getting the good word out there.

Ben Swann: Jason, I appreciate it buddy.

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Episode: 164

Guest: Ben Swann

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