Jason Hartman starts the episode with affirmations on his prediction of the migration away from high-density areas. Later on the show interviews Coronavirus Quarantine Survivor, Juanita Ingram as they discuss Taiwan’s reaction to Coronavirus. They look at what went well and how SARS prepared them for COVID-19.
Jason Hartman 0:54
Welcome to Episode 1450. This is a 10th episode show and that means we’re going to talk about That’s something of general interest with our guests today. But first, I got a couple of financial things, maybe only one, maybe two to talk with you about during the intro portion of today’s episode. But I think you’ll really enjoy this guest. She is a very successful and well spoken lady and a Corona virus survivor. So we are going to hear firsthand from her experience, and I think you’ll enjoy this episode and get a lot out of it. So we’ll get to that in a few minutes. But first, I want to tell you that clearly, the folks at housing wire are listening to my podcast, because today, they just came out with an article that says will COVID-19 spur a migration from dense cities? Well, hey, haven’t I been saying that for two months? People? Yes, I have. I’ve been saying it for at least two months, maybe even a little longer than that. I don’t know. Maybe not. But I don’t know, Time passes too quickly. Maybe it’s longer than two months, I don’t know. But at least two months I’ve been saying this, and now, the lamestream media is catching on. So you’re gonna see stories like this all over the place in the news. And it’s what I saw when I saw what happened in China. And then in Italy, that’s what really, really made me realize it’s density. Density is the problem, and suburbia is the opportunity. And again, America being very different from other countries around the world, that suburbia is a uniquely American idea. Okay, remember, that’s the post World War Two baby boomers that created suburbia, then later it was amplified by what hopefully, you know what this is Levittown where the Leavitt company. I don’t know if that’s the exact name of the developer, but whatever. Anyway, the Levites. They built these suburban Cookie Cutter housing developments in Pennsylvania in New Jersey in New York, and a bunch of places all over after that this grew to be the big trend where these homes could be built really fast. And they had what 27 components of a home and they just had crews go in and build them quickly. And they made nice little neighborhoods that were little master plan communities with called a sax and you know, the typical thing that we understand to be suburbia today, but that had to come from somewhere. Because for pretty much all of civilized history before that. It was really either you lived in the city or you lived in the country. And you know, never the twain shall meet right now. There was this new idea this new American idea, suburbia, and a lot of that came out of America’s love affair with the automobile and the flagship city of A world that has had a very sad story. And you know what I’m going to say? Good old Detroit, Motown. Okay, really one of the the flagship cities of the entire world during the heyday of the auto industry. And of course, it’s the poster child for big government liberal disaster, because that’s what ruined Detroit. The labor unions got too powerful or and the politicians got too greedy. They had this model Cities program and the whole thing was just a big disaster. Right. You know, now you know what Detroit is today, right? It’s not good. So you have suburbia and suburbia was made possible by the automobile. And Americans had a love affair with the automobile. Unlike really any other country. It was a really a uniquely American thing, for better or worse, okay, for better or worse, but the suburbia is now the money making real estate investment. opportunity for you. And again, it’s two opposing forces, like I’ve taught you over the years about the inflation deflation debate, the opposing forces being technology and globalization versus the inflationary forces of bad government, bad fiscal policy, bad monetary policy, right, that’s inflationary technology, globalization deflationary? Well, now we see a move away from globalization. Of course, technology will move forward and proceed. And we see more nationalization, we’re going to see stronger country borders. Imagine that, you know, Trump vilified and hated by the lamestream Media and low information voters. Oh my god, you can’t you can’t control the border between the US and Mexico. That’s a huge evil. Oh, grow up. Okay. countries have borders and countries have a right to control their borders. If anyone thinks otherwise just tell them to jump in a deep lake because they’re just clueless. That’s just stupid. Okay? Only dumb people think countries don’t deserve to control their borders. Pretty much every country on earth does that. And the United States has a right to do it just like everybody else. So Calm down, relax. Okay, that’s, you know, it’s normal behavior. But when the US does it, it’s evil. Oh, my God. Oh, ridiculous. You know, they asked Mexico about the way they control their southern border with Guatemala. It’s like a military outpost. You’re not coming over that border from Guatemala to Mexico. Okay, good luck with that, you know, see if you can cross the Berlin Wall. Okay. You know, but but when the US expects to have a border, so Mexico can export their poverty problem because of their corrupt government. It’s another matter so whatever, whatever, whatever. But you’re going to see supply chains diversified in Mexico, by the way is going to be the beneficiary of that. To a large extent, so we’ll see Mexico getting a lot of the benefit from China’s loss. And all the thoughts everybody had about China’s going to take over become the superpower the US is falling.
Jason Hartman 7:14
Don’t bet on it. That’s a stupid bet for a sucker. That’s a sucker’s bet for us is not going to lose that game. And anybody who bets against the US is just just crazy. That’s a bad bet. And listen, I’m no big us proponent. I have all sorts of criticisms of my country. And you’ve heard them if you listen to this show regularly, but you just don’t bet against 18 aircraft carriers. Okay, that’s just not a good bet. All right. So this article, hey, cancer alert, by the way, was quite a tangent there, Jason. Okay. So, realtors and demographers say this acceleration of a trend is already taking place. Remember, this migration trend was not A new thing that was caused by COVID-19. This was happening before years ago, I was telling you about this. And then years ago after I started talking about it, I had Meredith Whitney on. And she’s the author of the state of the states a great book, although now maybe a little bit outdated, obviously. But the concept is the same. The migration has been going on for a long time. I mean, look, I was talking about this stuff in the 90s. Now, obviously, I didn’t have a podcast and because podcasts hadn’t been invented yet. And you know, I wasn’t doing the investor only business back then I was in traditional real estate back then. I was working for REMAX and then bought my own company and then sold it to Coldwell Banker years later. And I noticed this migration trend out of California way back in the early 90s. Okay, and it’s only picking up steam. And now this scheme will increase dramatically out of high density areas because guess what? The world has realized that the emperor has no clothes. The emperor has no clothes. And well, it’s many Emperor’s and all of them are naked. Okay, let’s talk about a few of the Emperor’s Well, number one is the emperor of, Oh, I got to live in a big city. And I’ve got to have everything easily accessible because that’s where the jobs are. Well, guess what? Now, all those people are working at home. And all those employers have discovered. Guess what? We don’t need that expensive office space in Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Seattle or San Diego, or Miami, or New York City. That’s the place we need. At least we don’t need it in Boston or Washington, DC or Chicago in all these downtown’s. We don’t need that expensive office space. And guess what all the workers have discovered is they’re now working from home. they’ve discovered Gosh, do I really need to be near them? This densely populated city. Do I need to be paying the high price to live here? Do I need to be paying now? Guess what, coincidentally all of those places except Miami have super high taxes. All of them have super high taxes. While Miami and Seattle those will be the two that don’t because Washington State has no state income tax, even though it’s a leftist disaster. Seattle meaning that in Miami no state income taxes in Florida obviously right but you know even be this would even apply to say Dallas right so downtown Dallas downtown Austin, no state income tax there either. And people are realizing that emperor has no clothes. They don’t need to live and work near a downtown anymore. Remember, when I told you about john Nesbitt, who wrote the book mega trends that I discovered I discovered john Nesbit’s work in the 80s that was in the 80s. Okay, boy, I’m dating myself here. Oh, oh, well, you know, we’re all getting older and back in the 80s. I just was so fascinated by mega trends. And john Nesbit’s, his, you know, seminal book. I remember him talking about how he was able to live in Telluride, Colorado in this high quality of life area. And, you know, tell you, right, it’s a ski resort. It’s a, it’s a quaint, you know, really nice high end place. He didn’t need to work or have his office in a city anymore. And he said he was able to do this, because of technology. He was able to essentially work remotely away from the city. He ran a research company that, you know, I don’t know how many employees they had or anything, but, you know, I assume he had maybe 30 people working for him, I’ll take a guess, you know, doing all sorts of research and he was writing all his books and, you know, on the speaking circuit, and you know, he’s a big way, but I’m sure he made big giant consulting fees and speaking fees, and he had a newsletter I used to subscribe to I paid $300 a year for it. And there’s bits Because of technology, he was able to live in the quality of life location Telluride, Colorado, and he wasn’t forced to live in a city, but he could still be completely engaged in business. And he was able to do that because of this technology ready? The technology of the day, in the 80s. The technology, the big technology was Federal Express. Yep. Fred Smith’s company, that he got a C minus on at Yale for writing, I think his you know, thesis or he wrote a paper on it or something. And, and his professor gave them a C minus. He said, FedEx will never work. It’s terrible idea. You know, listen, never listen to the naysayers, folks. They’re usually wrong. Like Zig Ziglar says, nobody ever built a statue after a critic. There is no statue in the world of a critic. Okay. doesn’t exist. So yeah. Anyway, FedEx was the technology and look at what we have now. We have have all these telecommunications technologies that make it all super possible to work remotely, so that emperor has no clothes, the emperor of rip off overpriced college educations. That emperor has no clothes, the emperor of the idea of a commute has no clothes, maybe, and kind of sadly actually be and I’m not saying all this is good. By the way, I’m just saying it’s true. Okay. And maybe the emperor of the gym has no clothes, and gyms just don’t have a future because they’re petri dishes for germ and people are going to want to keep socially distancing, as they experience essentially, what is a PTSD, a post traumatic stress disorder from this, okay, so the article and then we’ll get to our guests okay. The article says when state governments ordered residents to stay at home more than a month ago, it triggered a wave of temporary migration. This is just a temporary quote. We immediately saw a pickup in our rental market, especially a pickup in our high end market. Unquote. With some renting sight unseen, said Tammy Phelan Steen, Executive Director of Halstead real estate in Stamford, Connecticut, close to New York state border. So all those New York people got out of there. Yesterday you heard the show with the CEO of Douglas, Elliman, real estate, a big, mostly New York real estate firm. And she even talked about, you know, frankly, against her own self interest. I mean, she was being really candid, I think with us in the interview. So more power to her to Dottie Herman, on yesterday’s episode, talking about how people were migrating out and she was talking to us from her vacation home in the Hamptons, not in the city. Okay. And then the article goes on to say some in the northeast flocked to Florida, ah, where I am now Palm Beach, Florida. Beautiful Florida for Place of luxury weather. By the way, folks, it is so gorgeous here. You know I have to tell you when I first moved here two years ago, I was really wondering if I like it because I thought the weather was too hot and muggy. And you know, there were too many bugs. But I don’t know this year the weather has just been spectacular the last year. I am loving it, loving it, loving it. I need to get outside and take the dog for a walk because what am I doing talking to you though it’s beautiful outside. It is just spectacular. On the eve of may here, and Florida weather. Stunning, spectacular. Okay, so some in the northeast flocked to Florida. Well, that trends been going on for a while it’s only going to pick up steam. The article goes on to say others. And by the way to pick up steam was my comment. I think you can tell when I’m reading or blabbing right can you tell my blabbing? Because I’m not always telling you what I’m when I’m blabbing and elaborate. versus when I’m reading. Okay, now I’m reading it says others wary of germs easily spreading in high rise building elevators, and through dense city life, rented homes in the suburbs.
Jason Hartman 16:19
Did you hear that on Jason Hartman’s podcast two months ago, maybe you did. Okay. Still others particularly young single adults, packed bags and moved back in with their parents paid. They don’t call it the boomerang generation for nothing, folks. My comment that was not in the article. And even I entertain myself, don’t I? I’m glad I do because I’m probably not entertaining you. Okay, moving on. And even for those staying in place, whether in their condo, apartment or house, the isolation made the walls feel closer, as states plan to reopen their economies. What Changes COVID-19 will have on the housing market remains to be seen. Well, some of them don’t if you’re listening to my podcast because I’ve already made the predictions, and they have a 99.9% rate of accuracy. I’m guessing that’s my that’s my estimate of their accuracy. Okay. demographers and realtors alike predict. This is a tipping point. For people
Juanita Ingram 17:28
who’ve already been
Jason Hartman 17:30
dreaming of backyards, private pools, and more space. It will accelerate trends that were already happening, they said and bring a new level of consideration whether people upgrade their apartments and condos for larger units, or move out of dense cities all together. Hmm, sounds a lot Like what Jason Hartman has been saying, but, you know, they got to catch up eventually. Anyway, that’s it. If you need help reach out to us, we’re here for you. We are your guide. We will help you through these troubled waters and help you prosper, or at the very least stay afloat. And remember, in comparison, relatively speaking, even staying afloat, is getting ahead, because the whole rest of the economy is falling behind. So even if you tread water in this environment, you’re getting ahead, but I think we can do a lot better than that for you reach out to us one 800 Hartman, call us one 800 Hartman or Jason Hartman calm and without further ado, let’s get to our guest and jump into this 10th episode interview. It’s my pleasure to welcome Juanita Ingram we are going to talk about Corona virus quarantine survival. She’s based in Taiwan. She’s the host of where in the world is Juanita Ingram? On the mommy talk live network. Juanita, welcome. How are you? I’m doing well. Thank you for having me. It’s good to have you on. So we have a large swath of the entire population of planet Earth under some kind of quarantine order stay at home. At least strong suggestion. Hey, if not, if not actual law, or mandate, what’s going on in Taiwan? I mean, you’re very close to China. You know, some call this the China virus or the Wu Han virus, right. But there are big differences in terms of the way Taiwan and China have responded to this whole thing, right?
Juanita Ingram 19:40
Absolutely. And we are in Taiwan, 84 miles outside of China, yet our numbers are relatively low. As of today, we have 322 cases, only five deaths. And that’s as of today and I believe, around 200 plus of those cases are important. Meaning, just a couple of weeks ago, we were only at 45 cases. And it only went up because the majority of those cases are people that have come here from the US, UK or Europe. So they aren’t local, they’re important. And the difference in the way that we responded, as opposed to the rest of the world, really, we handle this, or started to handle this back at the end of January. So everything that all of my friends and family are experiencing over in the us right now. We were there
Jason Hartman 20:30
almost 30 days ago. And of course, it just to be clear, when you say we mean the Taiwanese government, right, the country
Juanita Ingram 20:36
of Taiwan, the Taiwanese government, and the residents of Taiwan, so I live here, and we went through, you know, my kids school shut for 30 days, we I didn’t leave my house, we were under sort of that strict suggestion of self quarantine, social distancing. And there’s just a big cultural difference here, as opposed to what I’m seeing in the US. With family again, family and friends, I’m originally from Tennessee. So I, you know, I’ve seen a lot of responses, and from my own classmates from people that I know people in Tennessee that are maybe on social media or in touch with you one way or another, right? Yes, absolutely. And I lived in London for almost five years before that. And so I have a lance, I was actually just in London, March 2 through the winter. So I have a lens of three continents. Right,
Jason Hartman 21:31
right. Yeah. You have a really interesting perspective. That’s fantastic. I just got to ask you, how in the heck did you end up in Taiwan? That’s quite a quite a stretch from Tennessee.
Juanita Ingram 21:42
It is it is, like I said, we lived for almost five years in London before this. I’m an I’m an attorney. And my husband is the president of the Taiwanese affiliate here for one of the pharmaceutical companies. He works for a pharmaceutical company. So his job is what brought us to London and now it brought us a time And so we are expats. And we are corporate expats. So we live sort of internationally because of his job, although he will say because of the things that I usually end up doing while I’m while I’m in various countries, and maybe, maybe it’s my career, and he’s just the vehicle that gets us there.
Juanita Ingram 22:19
But but it’s work related.
Jason Hartman 22:21
Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. So tell us more. I kind of got you off topic here with my question, but tell tell us more.
Juanita Ingram 22:28
Yeah, no, I just I think, you know, back in January, it was the end of Chinese New Year, and my kids were out of schools around January 25. Towards the end of the year, we were celebrating chinese new year we were actually in Malaysia on vacation. And we heard whispers of what they call the Wu Han virus at that time. Now the Coronavirus or COVID-19. And we’d heard whispers about it I ordered mask of at that time, just because we’d heard a little it was just sort of SARS. Like virus that was coming. Out of that area. And by the time we got home, like his schools were canceled, you know, everyone was under this high, heavy suggested self quarantine. And I think so many people are getting caught up in like the semantics of whether it’s a shut down or lockdown or quarantine. The bottom line is we all had to sit down. And that was the most important thing. And I think, from the lands of being in Asia and being in Taiwan, the culture here, the people here are very compliant. But then again, we had a lot of transparency from the Taiwanese government. I know everyone from CNN to Ms. NBC to Forbes has written about how Taiwan is sort of the blueprint for handling the Coronavirus and the response that the Taiwanese government gave, which I think obviously was brilliant. It kept a lot of people safe. Mind you, Taiwan is a country of 23 million in population. So it’s about the size of Texas in population in numbers, but in a very condensed area. So the fact that we only have 322 cases Even today is amazing.
Jason Hartman 24:01
Okay. Right and tell us you’re pleased with the response of your government there. But tell us more about what that means. What did they do? Right? They acted quickly. It sounds like that’s that’s one thing right?
Juanita Ingram 24:15
Very quickly and mind you now they had experience with SARS. So this is you know, they had a pandemic sort of center in place. They did a lot of temperature checks. Immediately schools were shut for almost a month I think was a little under a month because February is a short month. So then almost the entire month of February, toward the end of January, schools were shut. We had social distancing. There was no movement is separate central travel. So while grocery stores remained open, you couldn’t enter without wearing a mask without having your temperature checked. There were testings that were done, and just a lot of communication with the public. They did things to keep from having panic buying. So they’re working So we’re put on essential things like hand sanitizer toilet paper, you could only buy two at a time just to keep people from panic buying, so that there would be enough for everyone in the early days, and the first couple of weeks, they ration and took all the mask in the country and ration them out to those who had residency cars are citizens that were here, and everyone received to every seven days. So if you had a residency card, or your passport, or your health insurance card, you could get to mask everything every seven days for everyone in your household and even now, they switch to sort of an online ordering service where the amount is about 16 cents per mask and so very affordable. They made sure that everyone had the essentials, again to control the panic, but they’re constantly in communication about where the numbers are, what the the nature of the virus is. I received almost like amber alerts on my cell phone because I have a tablet He’s number and everyone that has that we will receive these text messages where, you know, certain areas were strictly quarantine because there was a case of someone who had been there, or who had received a positive test result. And these were the places that they visited. I mean, it was very transparent, so that you were equipped to make the right decisions. I think sometimes, what I’m seeing in the US with a lot with my family and with friends, not just in Tennessee, but everywhere, because I lived in Indiana for almost 17 years before we moved to London. And now, and now Taiwan, I think everyone is it took a while for people to take it seriously. It took a while for people to believe that social distancing was even necessary, that it was something that was going to work and I think there’s just a lot of unknown about, okay, well, two weeks or 30 days from now, When is that going to look like and I think Taiwan is a perfect example of where that’s done and it is Successful Mind you, our numbers are going to continue to peak and continue to rise as the world continues to deal with us. So we had a hold on everything until it hit the US and hit Europe and hit the UK. And it was sort of not under control. So for a while, we only had 4547 cases. And then we saw the import of hundreds, almost almost 200 new cases, maybe a little bit more than that, all imported. And so I think, for me, I wanted people to know the importance of recognizing that whether you live in the US whether you never moved whether you live in your own town, we’re all global citizens, and everything that we do and choose to do impacts everyone all over the world.
Jason Hartman 27:48
That’s one of the really, I don’t mean for this to sound wrong. But one of the neat things that’s come out of this, you know, because it’s a virus, it affects everybody. And the only way we can stop it is to work together. You know, maybe this is a lesson from our Creator that we got to figure out how to work together as a global community. And you know, this, this might be a hard lesson for us to learn, right. But it’s it’s really, you know, it’s just ingrained in in the way this kind of thing works, that that’s what we have to do. And there’s no other way.
Juanita Ingram 28:24
Absolutely, I totally agree. And I think that is, like you said, it’s a weird takeaway, but if there is a positive to it, there are many positives, but yeah, yes, yeah. But if there are positives that take away it is the idea that people can now see that, you know, we have to stray away from the individual mindset to the collective whole. And I think that is something from a cultural perspective that is so different, maybe a little easier and more inherent in Asian cultures as opposed to other cultures. But I do think that is something that if we’re going to survive it and get and get past it. You know, I was talking to one of my friends that I went to school with, and they were saying, Oh, well, you know, I just don’t want to stay inside. I’ve got things to do. I wanted to go to this. Now I have plans for spring break, and there was a lot of
Jason Hartman 29:14
work. That’s not just you, you’re affecting if it were just you zactly you know, listen, if, if nobody’s paying for your health care, and you know, and you want to go on a motorcycle with no helmet and hurt or kill yourself, maybe that should be your choice. But when other people have to suffer consequences of your actions, then it’s not your choice anymore.
Juanita Ingram 29:36
Absolutely. And so when I came out of that sort of 30 days, and honestly, we were in such a great place, you know, we had no travel bands. It hadn’t hit the wave of the UK or us. But as soon as it did, because of choices that people were making and the lack of sort of taking a series, my children school went on a second bout like right now. There out of school, again, schools here are shut, we had to do sort of a second wave of trying to make sure that we contain it. Because again, we live in a very transient community, people are coming and going from all over the world. And the choices that you make individually is your right is not about you anymore. And I think it was just very hard for people to believe that this was as serious as it is, even though if you just pick your head up and look at what’s going on all over the world or in other places in the world. You know, I was posting on on Facebook about it. And it was almost as though people were calling me a liar that it wasn’t happening because it wasn’t in their backyard. It wasn’t at their door yet.
Jason Hartman 30:41
Yeah, it was it has exponential potential. So it’s, it’s a lot different than, than other issues like the flu because it’s more contagious and not only more contagious, it’s asymptomatic, which means it’s stealthy, and even if people do the right thing and self harm Pain. They don’t know. That’s That’s the problem. It’s like a it’s like a stealth fighter jet. You don’t know it’s okay.
Juanita Ingram 31:08
Yes, is it long incubation period and you know, you can be fine for four days and still test positive. I have two friends right now, husband and wife duo in Atlanta, who are doctors, er doctors and they both tested positive. The husband is very sick. The wife has zero symptoms. And only tested because he tested positive. Mind you, they’re on the frontlines. It was through, you know, patient exposure. And it’s one of those things where it is affecting everyone so differently. She has zero symptoms doubt if she would have ever even gotten tested but for the fact that her husband had symptoms, so it is very different. Very unique in that regard. Okay.
Jason Hartman 31:51
All right. What else do you want people to know?
Juanita Ingram 31:53
Well, I want people to know that self quarantine, self distancing. All of these things are to be taken very seriously. I know it’s a very hard thing to do. I know it’s very challenging. And the first time I put a mask on, because it’s not the in the natural culture of things in the US. But the first time I wore a mask and had to go outside, I had a small panic attack because I have asthma. And it made me feel like I couldn’t breathe. I live in downtown Taiwan, and Taipei, and it was so steel. I mean, you couldn’t even hear it. There were no cars in the street. It just seemed like something out of a movie said, and it was fear inducing. And so I wrote a book recently called panic over our peace over panic, and how to find peace in the midst of chaos in the midst of a panic because I’ve been through that first 30 days. And I know, I was reading all of these posts online, and I understood and I understood what people felt like. And I knew that feeling, but also knew the peace that could come from getting on the other side. There were a lot of scriptures that I read that I use that helped bring me To a place of peace, I give a lot of suggestions in there about activities that you can do for self care for making sure that you still feel sane, while self quarantine, and then a lot of activities, so is 14 is a 14 day workbook. And each day you get an activity for yourself for self care, you get a scripture to help you sort of push away the fear. And then you get an activity to do with the kids because I am a mom, I have two children, my son’s in the fifth grade, my daughter’s in the seventh grade. And you know, when kids are out of school, your routine is sort of thrown up in the air. And sometimes it’s very hard to know what can you do with kids on quarantine? So I wanted to give those type of tips also hope and inspiration to people to know that it does work it is going to take time. Unfortunately every country will be affected differently because every response in every country is different. But given time it the curve does flatten.
Jason Hartman 33:58
Okay, good. Good. Good to know where Can they get your book? Sure it
Juanita Ingram 34:01
is available for download at www dot i am Juanita ingram.com and the donation for the book. It’s actually going to help Dress for Success Greater London and dress for success Chattanooga which are charities that help unemployed women get back into the workplace. We give them interview clothing and interview attire and it’s all for free. So the donation is a win win. The donation that they give for the book goes to help underprivileged women who will need our services undoubtably when we all come out on the other side of this,
Jason Hartman 34:34
okay, Juanita, thank you so much for joining us.
Juanita Ingram 34:37
Thank you for having me.
Jason Hartman 34:43
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