On this Flashback Friday episode, health and nutrition specialist Daniel Vitalis joins Jason Hartman to talk about getting back to the “wild.” Daniel shares example of mutated domestication and explains that domestic foods have been designed to be more palatable. He also discusses how wild plants affect overall health and how acclimating to different temperatures, food, and water makes the body stronger.
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Jason Hartman 1:56
My pleasure to welcome Daniel vitalis to the show. He is the founder of rewild. yourself rewild the planet. He’s a leading health and nutrition and personal development strategist. And I think he’s going to talk to us about some really interesting stuff today in terms of survival, health, avoiding degenerative diseases, and so forth. Daniel, welcome. How are you?
Daniel Vitalis 2:16
Oh, thanks so much for having me on the show today. Really appreciate it. And really appreciate everybody who’s taking the time to listen today.
Jason Hartman 2:21
My pleasure you you’ve got some really interesting work to interesting websites. What got you interested in this whole field
Daniel Vitalis 2:28
when I was a teenager? Still, when I was about 15 years old? I, I had this question in my mind. And I had been ruminating for many, many years. The question was, what’s natural for people to do I mean, what I was seeing was, I could tell that the way we were living was very unnatural for us. And I was starting to notice at a young age that it seemed like it was actually we were fighting our own nature and repressing ourselves. And it seemed to me it was making us sick. And I knew that there was something wrong with the food we were eating the way we were living. And I had this question, what is the natural diet for people look like? You know, and I grew up during that era where we had sort of in schools left behind the Bible teaching had moved into this Darwinian teaching, and the teaching I was getting was, you’re an animal, you’re an animal that lives on planet Earth. And I thought, well, if I’m an animal, then don’t I have a natural diet like all the other animals? And if so what is it that really led me on a health quest, just just seeking out what natural food was, and I’ve arrived at some really fascinating conclusions. And I think those conclusions can do a lot for anybody who’s listening to do a lot for their health, and to disease proofing them for a lifetime, so that they can really live out their true potential because what I see is happening is that human domestication, not just you know, very similar to plant domestication, or animal domestication, human domestication is leading to a lot of degeneration in our physiology, it’s making us sick and and so when I say rewilding, I don’t mean for people to go live out in a teepee. But I do think that each of us can bring a little bit more of our natural instinct into play and a little bit more of our natural way of life into play for our health and for our vitality.
Jason Hartman 4:06
So is this the same? I mean, in terms of the diet aspect of what you do and what you recommend? Is this the same as the Paleo diet?
Daniel Vitalis 4:13
Let me break down for a second, the difference. The Paleo diets is brilliant idea. I love this idea. But here’s one of the challenges that I see in it. The Paleo Diet assumes that what’s natural for us is what our European Paleolithic ancestors were doing. But the truth is, you know, human beings live all over the planet, right, not just in Neolithic Europe. So human beings are adapted to lots of different climates and lots of different extremes. So you know, there are people who are very adapted to jungle like environments and their diet would have been very different from the Paleolithic and Europeans, if that makes sense. But another big difference is this. When we hear about all these different diets, right, we hear about the Paleo diet, we hear about the South Beach diet, we hear about the vegan diet, the vegetarian diet, the raw food diet, there’s all these different diets out there. This is What’s most fascinating about them? They’re all rearrangements of the same groups of food. And all those foods are found in supermarkets. Now, here’s what’s fascinating. Almost every single food, there’s very few exceptions. Almost every food in your supermarket is a non natural food. In other words, it can’t be found growing in nature. You know, you might ask yourself some time, hey, How come I’ve never been walking in the woods and bumped into a wild cabbage? You know, How come I’ve never walked in the woods and not have ran into a broccoli, right? These things don’t actually exist in nature, what they are a mutated plants mutated animals that we’ve domesticated out of wild animals. Now, here’s where we come back to this paleo idea. The Paleo Diet assumes that they’re creating the diet like our ancestors ate. But the problem is the foods that they use are not the foods our ancestors had, none of them existed. A lot of people don’t realize the yellow banner that they eat was invented in the 1800s. And it’s a sterile clone, right? So every banana that you eat, is a sterile clone. It’s a plant that cannot reproduce sexually anymore. What those little black spots we see in the center of the banana, that sterile seed remnants, and the plant is always a clone. So if I said, Hey, Jason, y’all come over tonight, we’re going to have some cloned cow for dinner, you’d say, you know, man, I’m really not interested probably in the clone cow. But we cloned apples, we cloned bananas, all of the fruits that we’re eating our civilization today are clones. They’re mostly sterile. And interestingly, they’re not found in nature. So these are domesticated organisms. So our diets differ a lot from the diets of our ancestors in that most of the foods we eat can’t be found in nature.
Jason Hartman 6:41
Wow. Okay, so what what is found in it, so you recommend we what’s found in nature?
Daniel Vitalis 6:46
Well, here’s what i what i think i think what we’re in a position now, where most of us are not in a place where we’re going to run outside and start foraging our food from nature, right? That’s just not an option for most people. Now, it’s something that I love to do, but I can’t do it exclusively. So I do a lot of that. But let me let me go a little deeper into this for a second. If I sent you out to your yard right now, and I said, hey, go grab some dandelion greens and bring him inside and let’s eat them. What would happen is, you know, it’d be easy probably for you to identify those dandelion greens, you’d bring him in, we’d eat them, and we’d notice that there was a distinct flavor that we don’t usually notice in our supermarket vegetables. And that would be bitter. Right? And that makes sense, right? Because most wild plants are very bitter. Now most of the plants we buy at the supermarket, our let’s take our lettuces as an example, not very bitter, not very bitter at all. wild plants are very bitter because wild plants contain bitter medicine. These are called alkaloids. These alkaloids are the herbal medicines that are in wild plants. Now, today, follow me on this one because this I think this is an important point. The wild plants that we used to eat contained bitter flavors, because they were medicinal components in those plants. The plants that we breed for our food supply today have been bred to remove all the bitter flavors. And that essentially means we’ve removed all the medicines will compound. Now here’s the fascinating thing, check this out, if there’s no medicine left in our food supply, and human beings have evolved or adapted or were created, however, you want to say that we come from an environment that’s rich in plant medicines, our ancestors, tribal people, traditional people all over the world ate all these plants every day that had medicine. That means that our diet today is deficient in medicine. There’s no medicine left in it. So what happens is people are even if they eat what looks like a very natural diet, they have a medicine deficiency. And that’s why so many people have to turn to pharmaceutical medicine. And the thing about pharmaceutical medicine is most pharmaceuticals come from plants. They either were taken directly from plants, or they’re synthesized from plant compounds. So what happens is people eat a domesticated diet deficient in medicine, they get sick, and then they end up going to pharmaceuticals. And so what’s so great when we start to go towards more natural foods, is that there’s medicines in natural foods, and we can start to actually heal ourselves at that deep genetic level, because our bodies are really adapted to natural foods. Yes, it’s challenging for a lot of people to get out and go forage wild plants, but what we can do is start eating foods that are closer to their wild state, and also using herbs and herbal ism to sort of replace those medicines that used to be in our diet.
Jason Hartman 9:24
So I mean, are we going to I mean, nobody will want to eat these foods though, right? Because they’ll taste so bad.
Daniel Vitalis 9:30
But let me give you an example of some of the great wild plants you could find at your supermarket. Let’s say you went to your your supermarket and you found maple syrup. Maple syrup is the blood or the sap of wild maple trees. That’s a food that the Native American people adapted to here in North America and how amazing that’s a wild food. What if we went to the supermarket we went to the frozen food section and we found blueberries that we found wild frozen blueberries would be dealing with a wild Berry and its natural state compared against Something like the banana, which is a sterile clone, invented in the 1800s. This is an ancient food, the blueberry and it’s a food that’s very good for us. And it’s sugar profiles, and its oil profiles, and its antioxidant profiles are the same as the one that’s found in nature. So that’s a very ancestral food. How about wild rice, which we can find in our supermarket, which is still largely harvested by Native American people out in the Great Lakes region. And that’s a wild grain, it doesn’t have those high gluten contents that cause so many of the allergies, people are suffering from today from eating these extremely hybridized, wheat and oats and these genetically modified corns. So it’s an ancestral food. And my point is, there’s a lot of food actually available to us. Many of the fishes that we get today are still wild from the sea still intact and wild, just like the ones we ate ancestrally. Now the thing is, is the more we domesticate, and the more we farm food, the deeper we take it into this domestication place, and the sicker people get. And we can see that the great intermediary, you know, I think, is that people initially, especially if they eat a very standard American diet, what’s important thing they can do is just start moving towards organic foods, start going to farmers markets, and actually getting food that the locally produced and bringing a little bit of herbal ism into their life in the form of teas, or tinctures very simple things we can do to begin getting some plant medicine back into our lives. Because otherwise, what ends up happening is we have that medicine deficiency I mentioned, and we end up needing to turn to pharmaceuticals.
Jason Hartman 11:27
And so bananas invented in the 1800s. I did not know this, are they good for you? or bad for you? I mean, everybody says bananas are good for you.
Daniel Vitalis 11:36
This is a great question. Now the banana itself is not invented in the 1800s, the Cavendish banana, the yellow banana we grew up with was. So here’s what happened. If you can imagine all the way back into prehistory, let’s say in India, where bananas were first cultivated. There, there we find the wild banana. Now the wild banana is just a bit bigger than your thumb. And if you cut it open, you’d notice that it was completely filled up with seeds. And there was very little flesh in it. And the flesh that would be in that banana would need to be cooked in order to be edible. That’s the wild banana. The banana we have today has been blinged up overinflated, hyper sugared, and is actually a very sick plan. In fact, a lot of people concern that that yellow banana we eat today won’t survive into the next century, because of all the diseases that are attacking this plant now, because it’s such a weak.
Jason Hartman 12:27
So this banana today, the yellow one, is it good for your bad for you?
Daniel Vitalis 12:30
You know, it’s like it depends if you’re eating at McDonald’s every day. And I think the banana would be great for you. But if you’re looking to take your diet to this next level that I’m talking about, which is you anchor in the organic food, and then you anchor in the local food at that point. Here’s the question. If you’re living in say I’m in Maine right now. So here I am living in Maine, what food makes more sense for me food that comes from the soil that I walk on? In other words, locally produced food? Or should I have a sterile cloned fruit, picked on ripe, gassed, ripened and then shipped via truck and plane from South America over the equator up to North America, where I then go into a supermarket and pay 80% markup on it? how healthy will that be for me compared to the foods that are being produced in my environment? So I think the banana is a great step for some people, because a lot of us have been raised on extremely processed food and it’s a less processed food. However, it’s hardly the ultimate because it’s not even coming from the place where most of us live. I mean, not a lot of bananas grown in the US. Right?
Jason Hartman 13:36
Right. But you know, then again, though, we’re not coming from the place we necessarily live either, you know, or live, everybody so mobile nowadays, what’s the difference? I mean, if you were born in South America, I assume you have bananas on trees. Right? Does that mean only South Americans should eat them indigenous?
Daniel Vitalis 13:53
Let me go a little deeper into some of my philosophy because your point is fantastic and an obvious right and
Jason Hartman 13:58
here’s something you can weave into it because I did a show on GMOs genetically modified foods, right. So I guess bananas and broccoli are genetically modified them even though a long, long time ago. So I’d like you to address that too. But go ahead
Daniel Vitalis 14:11
with when you’re modifying those plants are modified at the breeding level. So let me give you an example. I love talking about dogs because dogs are so fascinating. See every domesticated dog you’ve ever encountered as a gray wolf. A lot of people do not know that. Every dog, the Chihuahua, the shitzu. The Pitbull doxon. Everyone is a gray wolf. The true the progenitor of all domesticated dogs is the wild gray wolf. And all dogs are a form of the gray wolf, but they’re a mutated form. We didn’t do it through direct genetic modification. We did it through breeding. Does that make sense? So when we look at you just mentioned broccoli now here’s an interesting thing. broccoli, kale, collard cabbage, kohlrabi, brussel sprouts, cauliflower. All of those plants I just said they’re only one plant. That’s the same plant.
Jason Hartman 14:59
How,
Daniel Vitalis 15:00
let me see right now what’s so fascinating is the wild plant is something you would walk right by, you wouldn’t even recognize it. It’s a small weed that’s native to Europe. We’ve mutated it into broccoli, kale, collard cabbage college, you know, all of these plants that we now we’ve mutated in the same way, we’ve mutated dogs out of the wolf, if that makes sense. Today, we’re taking it to another level, the genetic engineering, as you know, is where we actually cross species or kingdoms of life, at a genetic level miss a very dangerous game we’re playing because all the preliminary research is indicating that those GMOs damage the kidneys, they damage the liver, they, they damage the reproductive system, particularly. So we know that this is taking it even further. But I like to sort of point out, yeah, this has been underway a long time we’ve been breeding and changing things. Now, it doesn’t mean that it’s bad for us all the time. It just means like, hey, let’s become aware of it. I’m just saying, Let’s be aware that we live in a very domesticated world. What I really think and the reason I named my company, Sir thrival. And is because I believe that we need to thrive in this sort of interesting survival situation we’re in on the planet today. And my philosophy is that the best thing you can do is adapt yourself to the environment you’re in. So I also travel a lot. In fact, I travel most of the year, what I like to do is when I arrive in an area, I want to acclimate to that area. So I like to find the foods that are local to that area, I like to harvest water from the springs that are local to that area. And we talked a few minutes ago about find a spring calm, which is a website I put together to help people do that. I like to expose myself to the temperatures of the area. Because, you know, most of us live in isolated from the weather, right? We live in a sort of climate controlled, constant 70. And what’s interesting about wild people in wild animals who don’t suffer from any of the degenerative diseases, is that they live in an environment where the temperature keeps changing, right? In the day, it’s hotter. And in the night, it’s cooler, no matter where you go on the planet, it’s like this days are warmer, nights are cooler. It’s a cycle, where we live in our homes, in our hotels, and in our cars, we keep the temperature almost always the same, makes our bodies very weak. So there’s this amazing science emerging right now called epigenetics. And what it says is, you can influence how your genome expresses itself, you can influence your genetic expression, your body, you can influence your body and physiology, by food and environment. So when we eat closer to wild foods, when we drink closer to wild water, when we go out in the soil, when we get barefoot on the ground, when we breathe the natural air from an environment, when we expose ourselves to the hot and cold have an environment, we actually become stronger at the genetic level. This wasn’t known until very recently, although it’s kind of obvious when you think about it. So yes, I agree with you. We are moving all over the place, how much does it matter? But How fun is it to acclimate yourself to the earth instead of to the world because they’re different things The world is sort of the artificial reality that we all are living in, in our airports and our hotels and our homes in our computers. And the earth is what’s going which is the earth is reality. It’s actually what’s going on outside of there. So what I like to do is, wherever I go, I like to try to get connected to the earth. And one way I can do that is with the foods that come from that area with the water that comes from that area with the temperatures that and the air that comes from now water. I mean that environment. And I don’t think we need to do that exclusively. But I think that we can all bring that in a little bit. And I call that rewilding. And I think that we can become not just healthier than we are now healthier than most people realize it’s possible. That’s why I do this.
Jason Hartman 18:42
Do you want to explain the difference? Because you’re talking about adapting to environments and exposing yourself to local localities? I mean, hey, listen, I’m a big traveler. And whenever I go somewhere, I always drink the local beer. So there’s my version just to get the local flavor eat the local foods, but you know, I’m doing it at a much more worldly level, not earthly level, as you made that distinction. Do you want to talk about the difference between indigenous and ingenuous?
Daniel Vitalis 19:10
Oh, I don’t know. I’m not familiar with ingenuous.
Jason Hartman 19:13
Well, yeah, you know, I remember on a on a wildlife tour now, I can’t remember the difference. But there is a difference because thing things can be in one place, but I guess not be now.
Daniel Vitalis 19:25
Indigenous, what indigenous means is occurring naturally in a place. And I like to use the word indigenous in reference to our planet. And here’s what I’m saying. I like to tell people, hey, you’re indigenous because we think indigenous are those, you know, those people in loincloths off in the jungle, right? We think that they’re not us. They’re the indigenous we are something else. Now here’s what’s bizarre about that is you’re actually from Earth, and everyone you know is from Earth. In other words, we’re indigenous to the planet. Now, I want you to imagine that that classic stereotypical picture of an indigenous person Then I want you to picture one of the Apollo 13 astronauts. Now picture those side by side and then ask yourself this, does the average hiker backpacker who’s going to go do three or four days in the wilderness look more like the indigenous person or the astronauts? And I think the obvious answer is they look a bit more like the astronauts, big boots, GoreTex suit, huge pack helmet being insulated from the environment to the point where they actually begin to believe that their environment is hostile to them. So what’s happening is your beings are living today with this perception and a one that’s being reinforced by media when it’s being reinforced by the medical complex, we start to believe that we are in an environment that’s hostile to us, we must battle against the elements, we must fight nature. And if we don’t, we might succumb and actually be destroyed or killed by the elements, right, we might die from exposure to the elements. So we go into nature, much like an astronaut would go to a foreign planet. So the average person going into nature, they see nature as a threat. And this is the big difference between us. And what we consider the indigenous people is they see nature as something that they are woven into. And so I love this idea of using food using water using a climatization to begin to reweave ourselves into the environment. And to me that is the longest, the longest, it’s the it’s the most long term, sustainable survival strategy is actually being comfortable and competent on a landscape rather than needing I love this like idea watch these people prepare for for emergencies, or watch people who are preppers I watched the survivalist store up all like they’re gonna store 10 years of food up in their house, let me tell you what happens if you eat that 10 years worth of food, you will get so sick, you’d get so you would break down so completely from malnourishment. We can’t live like that. I mean, that army says the you can only eat those Mr. E’s for 21 days. But people think they can just store up stuff. And that’s their survival strategy. That’s not much of a strategy. To me, the real thing is, how do we incorporate ourselves back into a natural environment, simple things we can do, like growing a little bit of our food, learning what plants in our backyard might be edible or useful or medicinal to us learning where there’s natural water sources in your area that you can access going outside more. My favorite thing I tell people, if you want to have a good long term survival strategy, start camping, just start camping. I mean, what better thing could you do for yourself, it’s like, you go camping, you are exposing yourself to the natural elements, the natural weather, you’re getting outside, you’re in, you’re in an environment. And you’re getting to put to practice all of the skills that people want to have an order to feel competent, that they can make it through any kind of scenario that they might be presented with. So I think like if I was going to give people the ultimate training strategy for the survival situations like go camping, and the great thing about that is that is a rewilding process. When we go camping, we’re actually rewilding ourselves to some degree, it’s pretty simple. And then, you know, I
Jason Hartman 23:02
guess the challenge would be camping time after time, start using less protective things that insulate you from the environment, and getting more and more in touch with nature. That is a great survival skill, no question about it. Let me take a brief pause. We’ll be back in just a minute.
Daniel Vitalis 23:20
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Jason Hartman 24:01
You mentioned something when we just chatted for a few minutes off air, about how you we were talking about degenerative diseases. And you were saying that in the animal kingdom animals don’t suffer from degenerative diseases. And you know, I didn’t take issue with you, but but I want to now I mean, certainly animals die, they get sick, you know, even if they’re living completely in the wild environment. Right?
Daniel Vitalis 24:27
Well, okay, so let’s make sure that we don’t confuse our dogs or horses or goats or sheep. They’re not No, we totally wild animals, not totally wild animals. So here’s the thing you ever noticed, you know, here Why am I like to watch the squirrels perform feats of acrobatics that exceed anything our Olympians can do? Right? I’ll watch squirrels and I never look and go, Oh, that’s an old squirrel over there. I can tell he can barely make it. In fact, I’ve never seen that. The other thing I never see is squirrels with crooked teeth.
Jason Hartman 25:00
You know, that’s one of those things that you just don’t realize. And I’m gonna take issue with you here because I don’t know of any squirrels that are 200 years old either.
Daniel Vitalis 25:07
Now, here’s the great, here’s the great thing. So you’re you’re bringing up a couple of points. So I just want to make sure we don’t confuse them. degenerative disease refers to when the body is actually degenerating, or it’s actually breaking down prematurely. Right? This is different than old age, of course, animals are sick come to old age, and occasionally wild animals are succumbing to disease. But for the most part, they’re able to live out their lives until they’re correct, mature age, and then they pass on. And when they pass on, they’re not hooked up to oxygen machines limping around lying in hospital beds, they actually live out a quality of life right to the end that most of us don’t get to have anymore. So a lot of people today think that the degenerative diseases are happening now because we’re living longer. This is not actually true. So here’s what happens. We think that we’re living longer today, because we’re able to keep children alive longer today, and more children alive today. And so they don’t get factored into the averages. So when you hear these things like, Well, our average lifespan used to be 35 years. That’s because they’re doing averages and with averages, if you count the infant mortality rate, which used to be much higher, it brings the average age way, way down. Does that make sense? That’s not happening today. We’re keeping more children alive. It makes it look like our we’re living longer. We’re not. The other thing is, this is not about longevity. This is about degeneration. degeneration is again things like then let me let’s go back. Actually, when we go all the way back in our fossil record, you know that we don’t find cavities. So ancient man, you would think well, he didn’t brush his teeth didn’t have dentists didn’t have braces. He didn’t he didn’t have Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups, either Exactly. or white flour, or white sugar, right. He was in the sunlight. He breathed fresh air, he drank fresh water, he ate local fresh foods that were rightly picked. So he had no cavities. In fact, we don’t start to see cavities beginning until 10,000 years ago, when we start farming and domestication. Not only did our teeth start to develop cavities when we started farming, but actually do you know that our skeletons shrunk, our brains got smaller. You see that again, our brains got smaller. And we started to see arthritis. That was the first stages of degeneration that we saw in our fossil record. The degeneration started when we stopped eating wild foods, we started farming. Over the course of time, as we’ve taken this to more and more extremes, it’s gotten worse and worse. Now, it’s very common to be born with teeth that don’t fit in the mouth anymore. We just ignore that or we just we just use orthodontic surgery to correct it. But it’s a symbol of degeneration. We have arthritis, we have cancer affecting one in three, going on one out of two. We have heart disease unknown 100 years ago, afflicting half of the population. We have diabetes, we have obesity, these things are not seen in wild animals, and they’re not seen in indigenous people. So it’s not I’m not trying to say indigenous people had some kind of Disney style utopian life. But they didn’t get these diseases. They didn’t suffer from these things. And I think most people listening if they really ask themselves, they’re concerned. People feel afraid. They don’t understand what cancer is. They’re afraid that they could get it. They don’t understand heart disease. They’re afraid that they could get it.
Jason Hartman 28:17
Yeah. And you know, I’ve done shows more on the conspiratorial angle of this. And these whole industries like the cancer industry, they talk about the military industrial complex. I mean, there’s the western medicine make you sick, so we can try to make you well complex. I mean, it’s just, it seems like a scam in so many ways.
Daniel Vitalis 28:37
It’s a scam involving many, many different players. Right, right. It’s a lot of players, the medical institution, you know, here’s what I think is funny about the doctors today. You know, doctors take what we call the Hippocratic oath, right, so they take an oath to Hippocrates. Hippocrates most famous saying, is Let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food. Yeah,
Jason Hartman 28:57
yeah. You know, you go to a westernized doctor, and all they’re gonna do is prescribe drugs to cover up symptoms. That’s never a trician I don’t know. I got I gotta say something about this. I don’t know who the and I have many doctor friends. Okay. And I think doctors are great if you’re bleeding if you’ve got an injury you need a doctor, a regular Western doctor, sir. But But I don’t know how our society how Western culture ever confused. Doctors with health? I don’t know. I don’t know why you would ever ask a doctor about what you should eat. They don’t know anything about nutrition. I mean, it is mind boggling to me. And you can sense the complete frustration in my voice. It is mind boggling to me that doctors ever became confused with health that they are a repair shop. They are a repair shop. They’re not a health shop,
Daniel Vitalis 29:50
they study disease. Their job is studying disease. They focus on symptoms. Until let’s be honest, I mean, the most interesting thing is to me is that Western medicine has never cured Anything, there’s nothing they’ve actually cured?
Jason Hartman 30:02
Well, I got a certain thing. Don’t let me let me let me ask you about that. Okay, and then you can, I’ll give you time to talk about it. But you know, I had another guest on my show who was a doctor who really hates Western medicine. Now he got out of that business. And he said that same thing. I mean, okay, they didn’t cure it, but they vaccinated against polio.
Daniel Vitalis 30:23
Now you’re bringing up a great, yeah,
Jason Hartman 30:25
Malaria is virtually gone from Western culture, many, many things have been a want to say cured. Now, maybe you need to define cured. But go ahead. Do you want to dress that one
Daniel Vitalis 30:38
of the amazing things that we learned to do was he actually let me go back human beings didn’t used to live the way they live now in these compact cities and urban environments, right. And when we think about the third world, we are so mis educated here in the United States that we think the third world conditions are the conditions that were there. And we’re there to help those Third World conditions were created by colonists. That’s not how those people used to live. So they didn’t live that way. And they didn’t have a lot of those diseases that we see now like polio like malaria in the way that they exist today. Those exist because those people were pushed out of their traditional life way. They were pushed away from their traditional homes and areas for growing food or harvesting food. And they were pushed into conditions that weren’t. They weren’t adapted to. And they got very sick. We saw this happen with the Native Americans when we arrived here, right? And many, many, most of the Native American people in the eastern seaboard died of European urban diseases, they had never known those.
Jason Hartman 31:35
They didn’t have the immunity for them right.
Daniel Vitalis 31:37
Now that today, these people have in the third world a lot of these diseases, we like to say we cured them over here with vaccines. But if you do the research, what you find out is we cured them with plumbing. These diseases that were so rampant in Windows, Windows screens, we literally put our shit in this in the street. Right people would walk by that right that’s is that whole thing about where a man and a woman would walk on the sidewalk because he was trying to cover her from the the emptying of the of the pit bucket, right? We enter the streets when we we like to credit vaccines. But if you really do the research on vaccines, you see that there’s some serious complications associated with vaccines.
Jason Hartman 32:16
They’re actually having autism debate. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah, we
Daniel Vitalis 32:19
in an ingredient debate, right? We know, Mercury is president, a lot of these vaccines, we know that the vaccines often cause the disease that they’re supposed to be joining. So So again, I don’t really believe I believe that we see a lot of statistical manipulation, I see that we have people like Bill Gates, really getting behind vaccination. But he’s also very behind the idea of population control in the third world. And it’s a very confused,
Jason Hartman 32:40
I saw that, I saw the TED speech with Bill Gates, and everyone should watch that, because it is what he says in there, that he quickly kind of recovered from and tried to correct himself. It’s scary. I think it shows his true thoughts about these environmentalist. They just want to just limit populations. It’s who gets to make those decisions, Hitler, I mean,
Daniel Vitalis 33:01
where do they build town? Or do they make them in Uganda? So yeah, so interestingly, I really don’t think vaccines are what did it those diseases all still exists today. And those diseases have a lot more to do with how people live in the conditions that they’re living in. Not the not the vaccine, saving them. It’s, it’s that we live in a cleaner environment. Now. In fact, interestingly, we live in such clean environments now that that’s actually causing sickness. And lots of research, today’s is saying that, it’s called the hygiene hypothesis. And what we realize is, we know that there’s organisms in soil, that when you touch soil, these bacteria get on your hand they get in your mouth, they get in your lungs, when you drink water, from a spring, you get these organisms into your body, that actually cause you to produce serotonin. You feel good when you interact with natural soil, when you stop interacting with natural soil and natural landscapes, you become deficient in these organisms, and it leads to depression, which we again tried to cure with addictive and dangerous pharmaceuticals. So my point is, every departure away from nature seems to lead to more and more problems. But we like to we mythologize our domestication, we tell a story that we’re getting healthier, we’re living longer, it’s getting better. And this is this, I guess, if I was going to sum up everything, it’s this, how is it that we believe more in media than what we see with our own eyes outside of media? Right? We believe in this story. It’s like that better living through chemistry, we believe the story like it’s all getting better, this technology is going to take us into outer space and we’re going to live like Star Trek and it’s going to be utopia. But reality shows us, hey, economically, things are breaking down food systems, breaking down, ecosystems breaking down more we’re seeing it getting worse and worse out there. And we’re still believing that the ones who caused it or about to make it better any day now. It’s an it’s a kind of cognitive dissonance where we believe two opposing ideas in our head at the same time and media is so crafty with their stuff. sourcery that they’re actually the ones winning out, we believe them over what we see with our eyes.
Jason Hartman 35:04
Yeah, it’s really, really amazing. You know, I love how you say that we’ve cured a lot of diseases with plumbing. And I would just add to that with also with Windows screens. And that’s the mosquito malaria issue. So yeah, amazing, amazing stuff. Where can people learn more, you did mention your website about springs and natural springs. Yeah,
Daniel Vitalis 35:25
that’s fine, a spring.com. And that’s for anybody who’s interested in accessing water that comes clean and pure from aquifers from beneath deep beneath the earth, they want pure water and they don’t want to buy it out of a bottle, you can go to spring. So go to that website, scroll around on the Google Map until you find your area, click on that and find some springs where you can go visit that site built by the user. You can also find me on Daniel vitalis.com. And I recommend you go to YouTube and look me up I’ve got lots of free videos there. So you can see my my work there and check out my company Sir thrival. That’s su r t h r i v a l.com. Sir thrival is a premier provider of regenerative foods, foods, mostly wild foods from ecosystems that can help restore your testosterone levels, your progesterone levels, your immune system to restore all of these functions that have been slipping away through the domestication process. So I’m always looking to rewild people through food. And that’s what we do at survival.
Jason Hartman 36:23
That’s fantastic. And, you know, I want to ask you one more question before you go, when you talked about the animals in the wild, dying at their natural, mature age, rather than dying of degenerative diseases. With all this talk about longevity and mapping the genome and increasing lifespans and so forth for humans, what is that natural, mature age for humans? And here’s why I asked this question. Number one, I’m incredibly fascinated by that whole area. But when you look at what you talked about, averaging and you know, infant mortality, and all of that stuff, and you look at people like Stradivarius in the What the I don’t even remember the decades, you know, that century, maybe the 1700s, or something, you know, living to be like 90 or 100 years old, you know, certainly a long time ago, there were people that lived a long time, everybody didn’t die at 30 or 40. In the old days,
Daniel Vitalis 37:14
and no going on today.
Jason Hartman 37:17
Absolutely. Very good point. And so, you know, it really begs the question, what is that natural age? I mean, all right. This will live to be 120, maybe 150?
Daniel Vitalis 37:28
I don’t know. This is I love this question. And because the first of all people have people died young, and people lived into old age in the past, and they die young and live into old age today, there’s a lot of variation, it seems to me that you’re born with sort of a genetic potential, this would be my best guess on this, because we don’t really know the answer to this. And there’s actually quite a bit of debate and confusion around this issue. But let’s say this, imagine you’re born with a sort of potential that if you fed yourself right and lived correctly, you could live out to be, I don’t know, let’s say for some people, it might be 80. Some people, it might be 120, we don’t see much beyond that. So let’s say that you’ve got this range of 80 to 120. And everything you do that damages us like a little bit of a take a little bit off of that. And you can recover from that damage, to some degree, but not all the way. When we see people living until ripe old age, a couple things are usually present. They usually live in a calm environment, not very stressful, where they eat very natural food that they grow themselves, or they harvest themselves. And they have good strong genetics. It’s a combination of factors. If you have really, really bad genetics, it’s going to be hard to beat that even with really great food. Probably the biggest thing detracting from us though, is the stress. So when we look at people who, because how many times do you see the story of the lady who lives to 108, and she drinks vodka every day and eat the chocolate bar that we see these stories a lot. So it’s not just food, a lot of it has to do with having good routines, loving relationships, and a lack of stress. So that’s really critical. But I want to just say that people lived into ripe old ages, because typically because they chose a wise lifestyle, and people some people burn themselves out really young. I don’t I don’t know if people living usually past 110 seems to be sort of near the upper limit. And occasionally people make it past their we hear stories of people to 120. much beyond that. I would be fantasizing more mythologizing to say Oh, yeah, we could live to 150 because I don’t have any evidence of that. But I have definitely evidence that we can live over 100 however, I like to point this out as well. We don’t live in that clean, pristine environment we once did. The Native American people living here on the on this continent of North America. Were living in a pure environment, Pure Food, pure water, real sunlight outdoors, they were always interacting with the environment, and they live to the ripe old ages. It would be hard for us to beat that in a really toxic lifestyle. So I think it’s really important that we try to minimize our toxin exposure that we cleanse our bodies that we do things like saunas to keep ourselves clean. Eating clear, we drink fresh water, we eat good food because we’ve got a bit of a tougher environment to cope with. So if you wanting to have that kind of longevity, I recommend you look at practices to feed yourself really well and to keep yourself detoxified so that you can really live out to what your potential is.
Jason Hartman 40:18
Great advice. Well, hey, Daniel, thank you so much for sharing this with us today. And I want to look into some of the products you provide and just learn a lot more about it. fascinating conversation. Thanks for joining us.
Daniel Vitalis 40:27
Thanks so much, Jason.
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